17 Nov 07
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Originally posted by vipiuYou missed the point of my other post.
but if it does not transpose to KID...can you give some examples where it does not transpose to KID?(as i am already a KID player)...is it a kind of Pirc ?
Without the black knight on f6, it's not a King's Indian Defense.
If there's a black knight on f6 and a white pawn on c2, it is a Pirc Defense.
Pirc:
1.e4 d6
2.d4 Nf6
3.Nc3 g6
KID:
1.d4 Nf6
2.c4 g6]
3.Nc3 Bg7
4.e4 d6
Neither:
1.e4 g6
2.d4 Bg7
3.c4 d6
No Nf6
No examples needed.
EDITS: I love edits 😀
17 Nov 07
Originally posted by vipiuIf black does not play Nf6 then very often you get the Averbakh System. One move order is 1. d4 g6 2. c4 Bg7 3. Nc3 d6 4. e4 Nc6. White can play his moves in any order provided he plays c4 before Nc3. This is often the choice of black players who play Modern or Pirc but don't like the theory in the KID. The Averbakh is probably just as tricky as the KID but few white players will have bothered to look it up so black likely has the advantage of knowledge even if he hasn't studied it that deeply.
but if it does not transpose to KID...can you give some examples where it does not transpose to KID?(as i am already a KID player)...is it a kind of Pirc ?
17 Nov 07
Originally posted by tomtom232You're still missing the point!
then white can just play 4.Nf3 instead of 4.Nc3 and go into a KID or if black plays 4...Bg4 then a Neo-Old Indian.
BTW: I read it wrong I thought it did say ...Nf6.
You cannot go to the KID without a black knight on f6. The quoted post doesn't show that so you're still missing the point.
17 Nov 07
Originally posted by Dutch DefenseWhen white plays 4.Nf3 the most reasonable responses are ...Nf6 or ...Bg4 which would be the KID or the Neo-Old Indian ...Nc6 is playable but it isn't as good as it is when white plays 4.Nc3.
[b]You're still missing the point!
You cannot go to the KID without a black knight on f6. The quoted post doesn't show that so you're still missing the point.[/b]
17 Nov 07
Originally posted by tomtom232If black plays Nf6, then you'll go to the KID. Otherwise, it's not.
When white plays 4.Nf3 the most reasonable responses are ...[b]Nf6 or ...Bg4 which would be the KID or the Neo-Old Indian ...Nc6 is playable but it isn't as good as it is when white plays 4.Nc3.[/b]
17 Nov 07
Originally posted by Dutch Defensethat is my point he either goes into the KID( this hypothetical person is not good at KID) or into an inferior line or still other lines that are very similar to the KID.
[b]If black plays Nf6, then you'll go to the KID. Otherwise, it's not.[/b]
17 Nov 07
Originally posted by Dutch DefenseYes, he enjoys beating the crap out of me:
I know him personally. Here's a game we had.
Grünfeld Defense
Game 4072419
Game 2579064
Game 2566968
We have two in progress now also.