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Originally posted by FMFI hadn't heard of operation menu. Bombing the crap out of Cambodia. Nice. But it was a war, they weren't going after genocide. Not trying to rationalize it. I was there in 1970, well, 72 anyway, at a Thai air force base called Nakomphenom. Probably mis-spelled it. I saw some of the bombing the Thai air force did in Laos, it was frightening, I thought the war had come to northern Thailand.
I will take the hint from Great Big Stees.
Like I said. Manson 1970. Operation Menu 1970
Hey, I am not an apologist for any of that. I intensely dislike modern religions precisely for the reasons I stated. Islam, Christianity (Paulism), Hindu's, they all have crimes to answer for. I don't see ANY religion of peace on OUR planet. Maybe Baha'i. My daughter was one at one time and they seemed peaceful but they are few and far between in the peaceful religion spectrum.
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Originally posted by sonhouseThis has more or less been my point all along.
I hadn't heard of operation menu.
In 1970 America was enthralled by a taunting unrepentant celebrity murderer (later to become a kind of American pop culture anti-hero) who killed a couple of people, and countless outraged and morbidly fascinated Americans seemed - to the world - to be largely oblivious to the American slaughter going on elsewhere in 1970.
Here we are, 40 years later, and people are STILL fascinated by the celebrity murderer - being so more able to compute two deaths than they are able to compute two hundred thousand or two million - to the extent that they are curious about whether the world out here is STILL contemplating America's navel vis a vis the Manson murders. And there are Americans out there who are STILL saying "I hadn't heard of Operation Menu".
10 Apr 13
Originally posted by sonhouseAs far as I am concerned there is no religious angle to the topic being discussed here.
I intensely dislike modern religions precisely for the reasons I stated. Islam, Christianity (Paulism), Hindu's, they all have crimes to answer for. I don't see ANY religion of peace on OUR planet. Maybe Baha'i.
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Originally posted by sonhouseAll religions espouse peace/love. 😲😏
I hadn't heard of operation menu. Bombing the crap out of Cambodia. Nice. But it was a war, they weren't going after genocide. Not trying to rationalize it. I was there in 1970, well, 72 anyway, at a Thai air force base called Nakomphenom. Probably mis-spelled it. I saw some of the bombing the Thai air force did in Laos, it was frightening, I thought the wa ...[text shortened]... nd they seemed peaceful but they are few and far between in the peaceful religion spectrum.
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Originally posted by FMFHey, I was frigging THERE and didn't hear much about it, shows you the power of media. BTW, also, I wasn't enthralled by Manson, disgusted but not anal about it.
This has more or less been my point all along.
In 1970 America was enthralled by a taunting unrepentant celebrity murderer (later to become a kind of American pop culture anti-hero) who killed a couple of people, and countless outraged and morbidly fascinated Americans seemed - to the world - to be largely oblivious to the American slaughter going on elsewher . And there are Americans out there who are STILL saying "I hadn't heard of Operation Menu".
It looks like operation menu started years before, any count of how many killed by that action?
Hey Stees, anyone who has independent aiming of his eyes is ok in my book🙂
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10 Apr 13
Originally posted by sonhouseI too am fond of chameleons sir.
Hey, I was frigging THERE and didn't hear much about it, shows you the power of media. BTW, also, I wasn't enthralled by Manson, disgusted but not anal about it.
It looks like operation menu started years before, any count of how many killed by that action?
Hey Stees, anyone who has independent aiming of his eyes is ok in my book🙂
11 Apr 13
Originally posted by sonhouseOnce again, this is more or less the point I have been making. Does the "power of the media" really STILL work - even 40 years later - to make, on one hand, Charles Manson a key "fascinating" story in 1970 [and STILL fascinating to some in 2013] and, the other hand, Operation Menu in 1970 something that Americans like yourself STILL had not heard about in 2013?
Hey, I was frigging THERE and didn't hear much about it, shows you the power of media.
11 Apr 13
Originally posted by FMFI've never heard of op menu either but I was aware that the US had expanded the war into Cambodia as I believe did the vast majority of Americans, is this not a case of 'dog bites man' in terms of news worthiness vis a vis the 'man bites dog' story of the Manson family.
Once again, this is more or less the point I have been making. Does the "power of the media" really STILL work - even 40 years later - to make, on one hand, Charles Manson a key "fascinating" story in 1970 [and STILL fascinating to some in 2013] and, the other hand, Operation Menu in 1970 something that Americans like yourself STILL had not heard about in 2013?
I think a bunch of deranged Hippies slaughtering a pregnant Hollywood princess was a watershed moment in terms of the relationship between youth culture in the west and it's host societies.
Do you find that Indonesian news outlets prioritise the news based on a body count with no regard to geography?
11 Apr 13
Originally posted by kevcvs57Indonesian mass media has decades of hushing up atrocities by its own ruling regime under its belt and the media nowadays is cluttered up with celebrity-obsessing dross.
Do you find that Indonesian news outlets prioritise the news based on a body count with no regard to geography?
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Originally posted by kevcvs57I would say it was 'dog bites and kills millions of men women and children' as opposed to 'dog bites and kills a couple of women'. I am not convinced by your talk of a "watershed moment". I wonder how many Charles Manson-equivalents had free rein to do their 'dog bites man/man bites dog' stuff in south east Asia in 1970, with all manner of jobsworths in the woodwork back home insisting it was not "news worthy".
...is this not a case of 'dog bites man' in terms of news worthiness vis a vis the 'man bites dog' story of the Manson family.