Originally posted by FreakyKBHI don't understand your question. And why are you picking on just NASA? Are you forgetting, in your fantasy world, ESA, the Russians, the Chinese all have space programs, even Israel has launched satellites. Why aren't they lying also? And what lie anyway? That the Earth isn't round more or less? Or it the big lie denying Earth is flat?
Whatever your claims are, you have yet to answer one simple question.
If all of what has been presented about the shape of the earth, about space, [b]why has NASA repeatedly and consistently lied?[/b]
BTW, I see no mention in your post that I saw ISS myself with my own telescope.
Does that mean I am part of the conspiracy also?
What would you say if you looked through a telescope and saw ISS for yourself? And how do you think those little weightless tricks they have done like Hatfield putting water on his hand and that water blobbing up around his fingers, is that some trick? or Kelly playing ping pong with a blob of water, bouncing the blob back and forth. Explain that if you dare.
Originally posted by sonhouseForget all of the other static noise, sonhouse, and answer the very simple question.
I don't understand your question. And why are you picking on just NASA? Are you forgetting, in your fantasy world, ESA, the Russians, the Chinese all have space programs, even Israel has launched satellites. Why aren't they lying also? And what lie anyway? That the Earth isn't round more or less? Or it the big lie denying Earth is flat?
BTW, I see no me ...[text shortened]... ying ping pong with a blob of water, bouncing the blob back and forth. Explain that if you dare.
Why would NASA lie at all?
Originally posted by Proper KnobAsk yourself the same question I've put to sonhouse, now repeatedly.
I don't expect you to have all the answers, at the very least though i expect you come up with a plausible narrative as to why countless people have been propagating this 'lie' that the earth is round for hundreds of years. Stop focussing on tiny specifics and look at the bigger picture.
Personally i like a good conspiracy theory, with others though ...[text shortened]... s?!
Back to my question, how many people do you think have been involved in this conspiracy?
Ask yourself what other situations--- just in recent events--- show how possible it is to keep people in the dark.
More importantly, answer the question put to sonhouse.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHWhat lie? You tell me what the hell you are on about here. Also, why would you be neglecting ESA, the Russians, the Chinese and such? Are you saying all satellites are faked? Are you saying ISS is faked? Why don't you answer THOSE questions?
Forget all of the other static noise, sonhouse, and answer the very simple question.
[b]Why would NASA lie at all?[/b]
Originally posted by sonhouseI refuse to answer any of your questions: you simply don't know what questions to ask, quite candidly.
What lie? You tell me what the hell you are on about here. Also, why would you be neglecting ESA, the Russians, the Chinese and such? Are you saying all satellites are faked? Are you saying ISS is faked? Why don't you answer THOSE questions?
Forget ALL other questions, ALL other issues.
Focus your attention on the one question.
WHY WOULD NASA LIE ABOUT ANYTHING?
Originally posted by lemon limeHere is a thorough analysis of the scripture in question:
One of the old testament prophets envisioned the earth to be like a ball hanging from nothing. That pre-dates pretty much every other round earth theory I've heard about.
By the way, shouldn't that be "boom shaka laka laka boom"?
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2001/PSCF9-01Schneider.html
Apparently it was Isaiah who said this and what he said was ambiguous. Roughly, he said the Earth is "round". But is it round like a circle or like a ball?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHFreaky, you remind me of the little old lady depicted in Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time
I refuse to answer any of your questions: you simply don't know what questions to ask, quite candidly.
Forget ALL other questions, ALL other issues.
Focus your attention on the one question.
WHY WOULD NASA LIE ABOUT ANYTHING?
challenging a scientist on the shape of the earth. "What you have told us is rubbish," she said.
"The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise."
"What is the tortoise standing on?" asked the scientist.
"You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!"
Originally posted by HandyAndyI'm surprised Hawking didn't jump out of his chair in correction of that little old lady.
Freaky, you remind me of the little old lady depicted in Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time
challenging a scientist on the shape of the earth. "What you have told us is rubbish," she said.
"The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise."
"What is the tortoise standing on?" asked the scientist.
"You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!"
Turtles live in water whereas tortoises live on land.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHShe may not know the difference between tortoises and turtles,
I'm surprised Hawking didn't jump out of his chair in correction of that little old lady.
Turtles live in water whereas tortoises live on land.
but she certainly knows the truth about our earthly flatness.
Originally posted by HandyAndyWell, she knew at least as much as NASA does on the topic.
She may not know the difference between tortoises and turtles,
but she certainly knows the truth about our earthly flatness.
However, her knowledge is based on observation and faith, whereas NASA's is based purely on observation.
Ever wonder why they refuse to present their actual observations?
Originally posted by FreakyKBH1. What is "basic math"?
I honestly KNOW the earth is not the shape (or at least the dimensions) we have thought it to be over the last 500 years.
Math--- basic math--- simply cannot lie.
Complex and convoluted math can, but basic math cannot.
Definition and example please.
2. What is "complex and convoluted math"? (Is that one or two types?)
Definition and example please.
3. Show how the second category can lie but the first cannot.
Yours sincerely , Maths Grad, (BSc. Hons London)
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Originally posted by wolfgang59Don't worry, all you will get from this troll is more bullshyte, there will be nothing of substance in his so-called words. For instance, Why does NASA lie, apparently about the shape of Earth, but refuses to talk about the rest of the world's space powers, Russia, China, England and so forth. They must be in on the conspiracy too but he is fixated on NASA.
1. What is "basic math"?
Definition and example please.
2. What is "complex and convoluted math"? (Is that one or two types?)
Definition and example please.
3. Show how the second category can lie but the first cannot.
Yours sincerely , Maths Grad, (BSc. Hons London)
I think at one point he said the Earth was an oblate spheroid if I am not mistaken which is definitely no flat but roundish, and he refuses to spell out specifically what NASA is supposedly lying about.
I've said it before, I think he is just having fun pulling our chains, I don't think he actually believes for one minute the Earth is actually flat.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe actual word he used was not ball (as it is usually translated). I don't remember the word but it refers to a round object made of clay which is attached to a cloth or leather cord. The other end of the cord was attached to the front of a tent. It had some meaning or significance but I don't believe it served any practical purpose. Anyway, at that time this was something everyone knew about, so when describing his vision this object provided a frame of (visual) reference anyone at that time could understand.
Here is a thorough analysis of the scripture in question:
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2001/PSCF9-01Schneider.html
Apparently it was Isaiah who said this and what he said was ambiguous. Roughly, he said the Earth is "round". But is it round like a circle or like a ball?
And if you think about it, these clay objects were probably not uniform in color or perfectly round. People living in tents were usually not wealthy (although some wealthy people at that time did live in tents) so these roughly spherical and mottle colored 'balls' were not finely made and expensive works of art. They could be seen hanging from the tents of poor nomads, and were a common sight, so it made sense for Isaiah to use them as a frame of reference... the difference of course being that these commonly seen objects were not hanging* from nothing.
*If his vision had reminded him of a round object sitting on something, he would have likely said the earth is like a 'ball' resting on nothing, rather than hanging from nothing.