Where can you find Accurate Numbers?

@divegeester said
You seem to be ignoring me...why is that?

So do you know how those numbers were counted?

@eladar said
So do you know how those numbers were counted?

Yes by body bags.

@divegeester said
Yes by body bags.

How do they know the death was covid19?

@eladar said
So do you know how those numbers were counted?

The WM site seems to be getting its numbers solely from State public health agencies as far as its US numbers. That seems as reliable a source as possible under the circumstances. But for reasons already given, their and everybody else's numbers are undercounts.

In the US about 8000 people die everyday. If they do not test, just collect dead people, how do they know the cause of death?

@earl-of-trumps said
Nobody has accurate infection numbers. Impossible, just about. Death toll is even questionable. What happens when a person with heart and kidney disease dies while he has the virus? Well, now, they have even changed that. It is now counted as a CV death. It wasn't before.

And it can vary from country to country so their figures cannot be counted together. Not accurately, anyway

There will always be statistical overlaps.
Someone with terminal cancer gets run over by a bus. Cause of death will be injuries from traffic accident.
If someone else gets infected with coronavirus while afflicted with a brain tumour and dies, cause of death will be COVID 19.

@eladar said
How do they know the death was covid19?

The victims were tested for it.

@eladar said
Is there a place that has accurate numbers concerning deaths? Or is it simply a guesstimate and no numbers are actually accurate?

These are published by John Hopkins University and they go to some lengths to make sure they are accurate. [1]

What a Covid-19 death means depends on the authority making the statement. Public Health England count a death as being the death of someone who has tested positive for Covid-19 while in NHS primary care. So people in care homes who've died of covid-19 are not included. Some people who died will have died with covid-19 but not of it. See [2] for their methods. They are probably a tiny minority and will tend to reduce the under count from those who died of covid-19 but had not been counted as a case.

[1] https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/tree/master/csse_covid_19_data/csse_covid_19_time_series
[2] https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/documents/PHE%20COVID-19%20Dashboard%20Metadata.pdf

@divegeester

So the UK is doing it differently than the US.

@eladar said
@divegeester

So the UK is doing it differently than the US.

Doing what differently?
Why do you ask?

@divegeester said
Doing what differently?
Why do you ask?

In the US they are calling people cv19 death, simply for being dead. They combine both known to be cv19 with believed to be cv19.

@eladar said
In the US they are calling people cv19 death, simply for being dead. They combine both known to be cv19 with believed to be cv19.

No, they don't.

@no1marauder

Yes they do.

@eladar said
@no1marauder

Yes they do.

According to CDC instructions they're only supposed to use COVID as a cause of death when there is a positive test or when there is a "reasonable degree of medical certainty."

@eladar said
In the US they are calling people cv19 death, simply for being dead. They combine both known to be cv19 with believed to be cv19.

I suppose it's too much to expect you to provide evidence of this?