02 Nov 14
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Originally posted by no1marauderI suppose this information comes from the same people in the press that awarded Obama a transparency award.
Maybe you shouldn't rely on unpublished studies made for the Reverend Moon's newspaper:
Insurance companies raised their rates for premiums by about 3 percent this year for people covered by employer health insurance, which includes most Americans, according to a new report. The average family premium is $16,834, and the average employee pays $4,823 o ...[text shortened]... alth-news/average-health-insurance-premiums-rise-slightly-n200121
What did you tell us again?
All I know is that I noticed a sizeable increase in my health care as well as everyone else I know after Obamacare kicked in.
Obama also said we would be paying less for health care. Another lie.
Obama promised to lower costs by as much as $2500 per family per year on a myriad of occasions.
All these lies. Who in the hell knows what the truth really is, except you of course. LOL
02 Nov 14
Originally posted by caissad4Really. Try reading the exemption categories:
Really. Try making $9 hr and being a smoker. My rates would be affordable if I could quit smoking and replace it with heroin and excessive drinking. And then it would be a policy with a $5000 deductible. Of course I wouldn't get that rate til I had quit smoking for 2 years. Smoking is a serious addiction so don't wheel out the anti-smoking dismissive rhetoric.
The lowest-priced coverage available to you would cost more than 8% of your household income
I suggest you apply for the exemption under that category or under the general hardship exemption before you wish that tens of millions of people be denied coverage.
02 Nov 14
Originally posted by no1marauderMaybe he has not had time to read through the thousands of pages of legislation yet to understand exactly what to do. It's not like the web site is user friendly.
Really. Try reading the exemption categories:
The lowest-priced coverage available [b]to you would cost more than 8% of your household income
I suggest you apply for the exemption under that category or under the general hardship exemption before you wish that tens of millions of people be denied coverage.[/b]
Of course, the government can't seem to get a web site up that is user friendly, even though they are able to track your every e-mail and telephone conversation.
Ironic, isn't it?
Originally posted by whodeyIt took me about 30 seconds to find the site with the list of exemptions. Maybe people should make a little effort before they decide to advocate leaving tens of millions of people with no health care coverage.
Maybe he has not had time to read through the thousands of pages of legislation yet to understand exactly what to do. It's not like the web site is user friendly.
Of course, the government can't seem to get a web site up that is user friendly, even though they are able to track your every e-mail and telephone conversation.
Ironic, isn't it?
Originally posted by no1marauderTens of millions? Really?
It took me about 30 seconds to find the site with the list of exemptions. Maybe people should make a little effort before they decide to advocate leaving tens of millions of people with no health care coverage.
As I recall in thread here at RHP, Obamacare was sold to us on the presumption that it would help cover about 30 million. Next thing you know, about 8 million lost their coverage, and then only about 6 million signed up.
Utter lies.
02 Nov 14
Originally posted by no1marauderI will give it a shot. After all, the advice comes from a lawyer.
Really. Try reading the exemption categories:
The lowest-priced coverage available [b]to you would cost more than 8% of your household income
I suggest you apply for the exemption under that category or under the general hardship exemption before you wish that tens of millions of people be denied coverage.[/b]
02 Nov 14
Originally posted by whodeyUp to 20 million people have gained coverage due to the ACA; the CBO projects that the figure is around 12 million, while polling suggests that 5 to 9 million people have gained insurance due to the ACA, with the percentage of uninsured people dropping from 18% to 13%.
Tens of millions? Really?
As I recall in thread here at RHP, Obamacare was sold to us on the presumption that it would help cover about 30 million. Next thing you know, about 8 million lost their coverage, and then only about 6 million signed up.
Utter lies.
Source: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMhpr1405667
02 Nov 14
Originally posted by KazetNagorraThese numbers are like unemployment numbers. They may fall, but you are never told about those who just give up and stop looking.
Up to 20 million people have gained coverage due to the ACA; the CBO projects that the figure is around 12 million, while polling suggests that 5 to 9 million people have gained insurance due to the ACA, with the percentage of uninsured people dropping from 18% to 13%.
Source: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMhpr1405667
Likewise, how many have lost coverage because their old coverage is no longer available?
02 Nov 14
Originally posted by whodeyThe figures presented take this into account. But by all means, don't let facts get in your way. They never seem to.
These numbers are like unemployment numbers. They may fall, but you are never told about those who just give up and stop looking.
Likewise, how many have lost coverage because their old coverage is no longer available?
02 Nov 14
Originally posted by KazetNagorraCan these new 12 million insured afford to pay for their deductible should they actually use the insurance?
Up to 20 million people have gained coverage due to the ACA; the CBO projects that the figure is around 12 million, while polling suggests that 5 to 9 million people have gained insurance due to the ACA, with the percentage of uninsured people dropping from 18% to 13%.
Source: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMhpr1405667
Premiums are nothing compared to the deductibles. I don't see the government subsidizing deductible payments.
02 Nov 14
Originally posted by KazetNagorraThis was taken directly from the article you provided.
The figures presented take this into account. But by all means, don't let facts get in your way. They never seem to.
"Taking all existing coverage expansions together, we estimate that 20 million Americans have gained coverage as of May 1 under the ACA (Figure 3Figure 3Categories of Expanded Health Insurance Coverage under the Affordable Care Act (ACA).). We do not know yet exactly how many of these people were previously uninsured"
You really should try reading it.
Originally posted by whodeyThis is the full quote, which you have dishonestly and intentionally taken out of context.
This was taken directly from the article you provided.
"Taking all existing coverage expansions together, we estimate that 20 million Americans have gained coverage as of May 1 under the ACA (Figure 3Figure 3Categories of Expanded Health Insurance Coverage under the Affordable Care Act (ACA).). We do not know yet exactly how many of these people were previously uninsured"
You really should try reading it.
Taking all existing coverage expansions together, we estimate that 20 million Americans have gained coverage as of May 1 under the ACA. We do not know yet exactly how many of these people were previously uninsured, but it seems certain that many were. Recent national surveys seem to confirm this presumption. The CBO projects that the law will decrease the number of uninsured people by 12 million this year and by 26 million by 2017. Early polling data from Gallup, RAND, and the Urban Institute indicate that the number of uninsured people may have already declined by 5 million to 9 million and that the proportion of U.S. adults lacking insurance has fallen from 18% in the third quarter of 2013 to 13.4% in May 2014.
03 Nov 14
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraI suppose if you like presuming with certainty, which people like you seem to.
This is the full quote, which you have dishonestly and intentionally taken out of context.
Taking all existing coverage expansions together, we estimate that 20 million Americans have gained coverage as of May 1 under the ACA. We do not know yet exactly how many of these people were previously uninsured, but it seems certain that many were. Re ...[text shortened]... lacking insurance has fallen from 18% in the third quarter of 2013 to 13.4% in May 2014.