@suzianne said
May they all rot in hell.

I'll be satisfied if they just rot in a penitentiary.

@shavixmir said
My God.

Are these fake electors the same “alternative” electors republicans here have been saying “is a thing”?

Crazy world the US of A.

Yes.

The defense is that they were backups just in case a legal challenge to the result of the election were to have succeeded. The prosecution says, no, it wasn't that at all--they were going to try to get Pence to use the fake electors' votes instead of the genuine ones all along, but Pence didn't play along with it.

Instead of voter ID, America should implement elector ID.

@pettytalk said
"Christianity is Platonism for the masses." -- Nietzsche

Judaism for gentiles. (They don't have to refrain from eating pork or circumcise their sons.)

@suzianne said
This is an interesting take.

The Catholics overthink everything. It’s a habit they picked up after Origen read Plato, and they can’t walk it back it now after so many centuries of torturing logic to make the incredible credible.

Protestants put less emphasis on the doctrines (the Trinity and all that) and more on the personal conviction aspect.

@mott-the-hoople said
slavery was good for the economy too

If you think it was, then I suggest you offer yourself into slavery, work for no wages until you can't anymore, then come back and tell us how you liked it. Oh, and don't forget to tell us what useful skills you learned along the way (harnessing an ox behind a plow, how to use a hoe and sharpen an axe, pulling bugs out of cotton balls, etc).

@wildgrass said
FYI - You can read a couple articles per month for free. Just sign in with your email.

I don't want 'them' to have my email. I don't like spreading my digital footprint all over the Internet. That's why I buy 'The Economist' at the local news agents.

@suzianne said
I managed to eke out my own American Dream. All I wanted was to be able to stand on my own two feet without anyone else's help. And I made it and more. Considering where I've been, I considered it a major victory. And I'm actually happy with it. Everything else I can do in this life is gravy. When I see people who should be thankful acting like they deserve so much more, it makes me sick.

Democracy and pluralism are about personal empowerment, not results. That's where so many Americans are barking up the wrong tree. Comparing oneself with the Joneses is bound to make everyone, including the Joneses, resentful.

@suzianne said
This is fair, since they caused a fly-by-night company to come into Phoenix to ostensibly perform an audit on the voting machines (which found zero impropriety, by the way), and in the process, they rendered those machines unable to be trusted in future elections, so the State of Arizona had to pay to have them ALL replaced, to the tune of millions of dollars.

A case of the cure being worse than the disease.



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@sonhouse said
Indicted along with some 11 others in the fake elector scheme.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/24/arizona-election-indictments-giuliani-meadows-trump-00154241

Right wingers can cheer (for now), your god Trump is named co-conspirator UN indicted, that is unless Rudy or Mark flip, since Rudy knows where ALL the bodies are buried.

That is also why Trump has not s ...[text shortened]... es are buried so God Trump does not want to rile Davy. Anyone else is fair game but not buddy Davy.

Let's hope that the prospect of prison sentences for perjury awakens in the defendants a sense of decency, stronger than their hope that if Trump gets back into power, he'll pardon them.







( PS Presidential pardons work only in federal cases, not state cases.)

@mchill said
I still don't understand what his supporters see in him. He's a convicted fraudster, lifelong womanizer who fathered 5 children by 3 different ladies (not including the illegitimate ones) a tax and payroll cheat who doesn't pay his employees and respects only dictators of other countries.

Nikki Haley could easily defeat Joe Biden, yet his supporters stand by him, and believe all his lies as if they were listening to God himself. I don't get it. 🙄

Millions of Americans are angry and feel they've been cheated out of something they can't name. I can name it for them: The American Dream. It was supposed to happen and it didn't. If you worked hard, you were supposed to get a washing machine, a chicken in every pot, a two-car garage, a digital watch, and the world's highest standard of living. But it didn't make them happy, and so they feel they've been cheated out of a birthright. They haven't read their sacred documents carefully: it says "the pursuit of happiness" not the attainment of it. So, in America today, there are millions of people who feel they should be happy, because they think this was promised to them (it wasn't), and they're angry about it. Someody must be to blame! Now who could that be ?? The two main culprits are: goobermint (over-regulation), and immigrants (stealing our benefits).

Trump embodies for those millions of Americans the lost American dream: he's fabulously wealthy (or seems to be anyway, but, really, he's living on other bank's credit); he's the poster boy for angry entitlement; and he routinely bashes 'the establishment' (goobermint) and immigrants. That's his recipe for popularity.

@kewpie said
Phranny regularly starts threads with an article written by Heather Cox Richardson, and normally attributes the article. Obviously a simple oversight in this case, as all regular readers would know.
Try voicing "phranny" and the first name that comes to mind is Fran, Frances (female names) and Francis (male name) so it's not certain that the poster is female, but given the p ...[text shortened]... ther posters civilly and refuse to engage in rubbish posting - that's adult behaviour. Over to you.

that's adult behaviour

The male of the species grows up until age 8; after that, it just gets bigger.



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@mlb62


"Ghost" is an infelicitous choice of words, because it suggests to most people the immaterial remnant of a once-embodied personality (something like 'Nearly Headless Nick' in Harry Potter). "Holy spirit" is a slightly better formulation insofar as one takes the word "spirit" as in "the spirit, rather than the letter, of the law." In Christian theology (don't ask me to quote the Bible here because Christian theology was formulated long after the gospels were canonized) the Holy Spirit is wholly abstract, not any sort of personality. Think of Plotinus ... think of Parmenides's The One ... Think of Plato's Forms ... it is no accident that I am referring you to Greek philosophers, because that is who early Christian theologians (Origen et al) based Christian theology on too. Without Greek philosophy, there would be no Christian theology. Think of a wholly de-personalized power indwelling in a person who has faith.

@divegeester said
Who is this person who will “waltz in”?
“Waltz in” to where, when?
What are you on about?

The Jesus I believe in is the one described in the Bible.

I believe he is referring to the anti-Christ.

@suzianne said
I think it is rather obvious who the female posters are.

And no, it's not the names or the avatars themselves, it is how they communicate. Of course, this also confuses the members of the "He-Man Women Haters Club". There are people on this very website who have told me that women should be seen and not heard.

Presumably, these people also drive huge pickup trucks.

... with gun racks in the rear window ....

@phranny said
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/04/23/immigration-jobs-economy/

Behind a paywall, no can do.

I can't speak for America, but where I live, the native population cannot supply the needs of the local economy. I'm not talking about back-breaking dumb labor (fruit pickers) either. In the medical industry here, fully half the doctors and nurses are non-natives. Universities simply cannot educate enough people. I suppose it is similar in many other countries.