@sonhouse saidAn interesting example.
@Sleepyguy
Masada comes to mind.
@spruce112358 saidNow there's an interesting debate.
BTW, isn't this exactly the Israeli claim: "We were ethnically cleansed 2000 years ago, and we want our land back"?
If that's justifiable, why can't the Palestinians say: "We were ethnically cleansed 70 years ago, and we want our land back."
It makes no logical sense to allow one claim and not the other - if anything the most recent claim has FAR more weight to it.
@kevcvs57 said"Equitable" isn't a word I use. That's part of the leftist mind poison you have succumbed to. It is neither possible nor even desirable to devise a system for human beings that is equitable in the sense that you mean, and is downright abusive to give kids the notion that life should be that way. The best we can shoot for is equality under the law and freedom to pursue happiness in whatever way we choose. Yes there is social contract, and yes we do have obligations to one another, the contours of which can be debated. But society will not and should never be "equitable" because that could only be attempted through tyranny, and it would fail even then. This is known. Your educators have made you ignorant.
No you telling them that the system is equitable and if they fail they’ve only themselves to blame is the mind poison.
I realise telling kids the truth is an anathema to right ing types sine the MAGA crowd took over the GOP but there is no excuse for lying
@kevcvs57 saidWell, because it is mind poison?
No bitterness at all just bemusement that most right wing yanks still cling to McCarthyism like an old well worn pillow they can cry into when reality smacks them in the face.
Preparing children for the real world is part and parcel of being an educator, rich folks send their children to schools that will give them a sense of superiority along with facts and figures.
Why ...[text shortened]... re rather than instilling them with self loathing for failing to attain the American Dream / Fantasy
@sonhouse saidI'm not sure how I'm supposed to answer this. The concept of empathy comes into conservative debate roughly 32% ? It seems rather that you are making a statement that because conservatives want a smaller, less wasteful government, they must lack empathy. That is not a useful place to start. If we just allow ourselves to start arguing from that point on, we talk right past each other forever.
@Sleepyguy
One question: How much does the concept of empathy come into any conservative debate? Isn't conservative debate more about not spending money and getting rid of government regulations? I don't see much arguments from conservatives about actually say lowering the price of meds or helping students get lower cost educations and the like, instead they seem to concentrate on having more cops or make more laws to make more folks breaking laws.
@kevcvs57 saidThere's the bitterness coming through. You learned a lot of terminology to explain that life is hard because you're an oppressed victim. Did you learn how to do anything?
Hahaha a perfect example of how someone can be scooped up by a vortex of utter BS
Yeah them Marxists are everywhere, no one corrupts young minds like religion and right wing propaganda
For Marists educators read educators who teach reality as opposed to teaching them that every personal failure is their fault and they live in a perfect system.
No cyclical deprivation, no ...[text shortened]... ng the government and media outlets
If it wasn’t for them Marxist educators life would be peachy 🙄
@suzianne saidOMG, you are just so superior. So laughable. Well as a human being I value you SuziQ, even though you're a dolt and we disagree on everything. Our shared humanity binds us together whether you like it or not.
A conservative would say that. For rather obvious reasons.
@sonhouse saidI think what some are identifying as disdain for education is actually disdain for left wing "educators" who take perfectly good young people and try turning them into bitter Marxists with gender dysphoria instead of successful happy people. Conservatives do value knowledge and skill, but modern universities have increasingly become an unsafe place to send your kids to get them. There are also plenty of intellectuals who are admired on the right, Jordan Peterson, Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman and son on, but I'll bet they don't count for some reason.
@Sleepyguy
https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/republicans-are-the-anti-education-party-and-proud-of-it/
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-getting-an-education-tend-to-turn-people-into-conservatives?top_ans=1477743698990190
There seems to be a plethora of articles like this.
Trump doesn't like educated folks it seems to me, like he says 'media is the enemy of ...[text shortened]... re many ways to do that and it is not up to me to say the morality of it is bad or good, it just is.
@spruce112358 saidSiri said he's just a hater.
I do not know. "Hey Siri. Why does mcchill think that people....?"
@spruce112358 saidYep, it's great. Two thumbs up for easy access to information. So why does mchill think people on the right are against it?
Education is essentially access to information, and the cost of education has plummeted as fast as the cost of computing power and information storage. The dams that held back information have burst. The people that tried to control the flow of information and charge for access have been swept away.
I think back to when I was young, paging through my grandfather's Enc ...[text shortened]... g for information for millenia, and now we have LIMITLESS ALL-YOU-CAN EAT BUFFETS 24/7.
Nom, nom.