Works

Originally posted by @rajk999
I dont expect you to get this and I answered this question several times.

Nobody is saved by good works.
The death of Christ saved everybody.
The death of Christ was necessary because of the sin of Adam.
The death of Christ SAVED THE WORLD FROM THE CONDEMNATION OF SIN
Entry into the Kingdom of God REQUIRES GOOD WORKS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS
Those who con ...[text shortened]... rofess my faith and then profess my own salvation, type.
Your doctrine is the road to damnation

The one minute you say we are saved by good works the next minute say nobody is saved by good works. Can’t you make up your mind? Which is it now?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
The one minute you say we are saved by good works the next minute say nobody is saved by good works. Can’t you make up your mind? Which is it now?

Saved and entry into the Kingdom of God are two different things. The reason why you have problems understanding is that you think saved means you automatically are in the Kingdom of God.

All people are saved by Christ's death. Those who do good works enter the Kingdom of God and those who do not are cast out.

Originally posted by @rajk999
There are some better examples of haters around here:.. church Christians
They:
- condemn all nonChristians to eternal torment
- are the only ones capable of doing good deeds
- they are the only ones that show love to others
- they arrogantly believe that they can continue on with sin and still get eternal life

Who here says it’s okay to sin?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Who here says it’s okay to sin?

On a weekday or at the weekend?

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
On a weekday or at the weekend?

I've been known to sin on a weak day. I admit it.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Who here says it’s okay to sin?

Many people. Of course they wont say it in the blunt way I did but the meaning is the same. Im blunt. I dont sugarcoat my words.

How it is said is as follows:
- all Christian sins are forgiven
- all Christian sinners lose is rewards and not eternal life in the Kingdom of God
- Jesus paid the debt for all Christians sins
- Jesus is righteous, therefore Christians are righteous

All these means that it is ok to sin.
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Originally posted by @rajk999
Many people. Of course they wont say it in the blunt way I did but the meaning is the same. Im blunt. I dont sugarcoat my words.

How it is said is as follows:
- all Christian sins are forgiven
- all Christian sinners lose is rewards and not eternal life in the Kingdom of God
- Jesus paid the debt for all Christians sins
- Jesus is righteous, therefore Christians are righteous

All these means that it is ok to sin.
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If they will not say it in a blunt way why are you accusing them of saying it after any fashion? You can read minds and hearts!

Originally posted by @kellyjay
If they will not say it in a blunt way why are you accusing them of saying it after any fashion? You can read minds and hearts!

We have discussed that before ... so .. Yes.. next question

Originally posted by @rajk999
We have discussed that before ... so .. Yes.. next question

You do that a lot avoid direct questions, we have talked about several things in the past each new query is for a new reason to get information I don’t currently have. You appear to be judging people and condemning them for what you think they may believe, which doesn’t automatically follow you are correct, thereby condemning them out of prejudice not facts.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
You do that a lot avoid direct questions, we have talked about several things in the past each new query is for a new reason to get information I don’t currently have. You appear to be judging people and condemning them for what you think they may believe, which doesn’t automatically follow you are correct, thereby condemning them out of prejudice not facts.

You are not a very perceptive person. A man says:

- all Christian sins are forgiven
- all Christian sinners lose is rewards and not eternal life in the Kingdom of God
- Jesus paid the debt for all Christians sins
- Jesus is righteous, therefore Christians are righteous
Plus he can sin and he cannot lose his eternal life.

What does that mean to you?

To me it means they are saying that it is ok to sin.

Originally posted by @rajk999
You are not a very perceptive person. A man says:

- all Christian sins are forgiven
- all Christian sinners lose is rewards and not eternal life in the Kingdom of God
- Jesus paid the debt for all Christians sins
- Jesus is righteous, therefore Christians are righteous
Plus he can sin and he cannot lose his eternal life.

What does that mean to you?

To me it means they are saying that it is ok to sin.

“all Christian sinners lose is rewards and not eternal life in the Kingdom of God”

You are not applying the proper analogy. “All Christian sinners lose is rewards and not eternal life in the Kingdom of God” is like gaining permanent admission to Disneyland but not being told about and allowed on any of the special rides. It’s not painful, as long as you don’t know that you are missing out on something.

Originally posted by @rajk999
No. I do not claim that i have eternal life. You people do that.
So you sin, you have eternal life already. That is contradictory.

I confess that I sin. I await the judgment of Christ... like Paul said he does as well
You guys are lucky. Im not

You dont need luck.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Love the sarcasm! Thanks

Wasn't being sarcastic . You?

Originally posted by @rajk999
You are not a very perceptive person. A man says:

- all Christian sins are forgiven
- all Christian sinners lose is rewards and not eternal life in the Kingdom of God
- Jesus paid the debt for all Christians sins
- Jesus is righteous, therefore Christians are righteous
Plus he can sin and he cannot lose his eternal life.

What does that mean to you?

To me it means they are saying that it is ok to sin.

Because you hate Christians and have no idea what their doctrine is all about.

You make it up as you go, and since you hate them, you probably think they eat children as well.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Apparently you can't read, either. I said YOUR words condemn you, not mine.

You say sheep aren't sinners.
You admit you're a sinner.
Therefore by your teachings, you're not a sheep.
Thus by your teachings you are a goat.

Perhaps Karoly--who understands your teachings so well and believes they aren't contradictory--can explain how a sinner is a goat--unless the sinner is Rajk99 in which case the sinner is a sheep.

All I know is that if you have a problem with me , then I have a problem with you.

Why anyone would begrudge me or my posts is an anaethma to me.
Rajk and I come from different parts of the spectrum but we follow threads without taking people out of context