Originally posted by wolfgang59Without a doubt the Father.
Who is the greater?
(John 14:28) You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for ""the Father is greater than I am.""
Those are Jesus' words.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThank you!
"Your comment may hold true in the human realm. However, God exists in three distinct persons who are coequal, coinfinite and coeternal. "I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30) Each member of the Godhead [God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit] is therefore a separate person individually possessing identical eternal divine attribute ...[text shortened]... rgue with your personal point of view; I for one respect your free will and privilege to choose.
I simply choose the Bible's version of things.
(Romans 3:4) ... But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar, just as it is written: “That you might be proved righteous in your words and might win when you are being judged.”
(John 17:17) Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.
btw I like your original proposal of expressing a thought and including a Scripture (or quotation if non-believer). It can get to the heart of the matter quickly.
S10: ...these small things - nutrition, place, climate, recreation, the whole casuistry of selfishness - are inconceivably more important than everything one has taken to be important so far. Precisely here one must begin to relearn. What mankind has so far considered seriously have not even been realities but mere imaginings - more strictly speaking, lies prompted by the bad instincts of sick natures that were harmful in the most profound sense - all these concepts, “God,” “soul,” “virtue,” “sin,” “beyond,” “truth,” “eternal life,” - But the greatness of human nature, its “divinity,” was sought in them. - All the problems of politics, of social organization, and of education have been falsified through and through because one mistook the most harmful men for great men - because one learned to despise the “little” things, which means the basic concerns of life.
From Nietzsche, Ecce Homo, Section 10.
"Then the Lord God formed [yatsar: ‘constructed’] man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." (Genesis 2:7) "The Lord God fashioned [banah: ‘to build depicts the divine sculpting of the woman’s body’] into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man." (Genesis 2:22)
Originally posted by finneganFor some reason this sounds much like the accusation Satan made against Job.
S10: ...these small things - nutrition, place, climate, recreation, the whole casuistry of selfishness - are inconceivably more important than everything one has taken to be important so far. Precisely here one must begin to relearn. What mankind has so far considered seriously have not even been realities but mere imaginings - more strictly speaking, lies ...[text shortened]... ttle” things, which means the basic concerns of life.
From Nietzsche, Ecce Homo, Section 10.
(Job 2:4, 5) But Satan answered Jehovah: “Skin for skin. A man will give everything that he has for his life. 5 But, for a change, stretch out your hand and strike his bone and flesh, and he will surely curse you to your very face.”
That was a challenge to all mankind that they would not be loyal to God.
There have been many who did remain loyal including the man Job.
(Job 1:22) In all of this, Job did not sin or accuse God of doing anything wrong.
This faithful imperfect man is a good example for us to imitate.
Originally posted by divegeesterExactly! They choose to believe men.
How silly the rest of Christendom has been for not doing this!
Sorry, to follow the format properly I need to include a Scripture.
(Psalm 119:105) Your word is a lamp to my foot, And a light for my path.
(John 3:19-21) Now this is the basis for judgment: that the light has come into the world, but men have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked. 20 For whoever practices vile things hates the light and does not come to the light, so that his works may not be reproved. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that his works may be made manifest as having been done in harmony with God.”
Originally posted by roigamHowever, you seem to have a distorted view of the Bible's version of things. 😏
Thank you!
I simply choose the Bible's version of things.
(Romans 3:4) ... But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar, just as it is written: “That you might be proved righteous in your words and might win when you are being judged.”
(John 17:17) Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.
btw I like your original proposa ...[text shortened]... uding a Scripture (or quotation if non-believer). It can get to the heart of the matter quickly.
Originally posted by roigam"btw I like your original proposal of expressing a thought and including a Scripture (or quotation if non-believer)."
Thank you!
I simply choose the Bible's version of things.
(Romans 3:4) ... But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar, just as it is written: “That you might be proved righteous in your words and might win when you are being judged.”
(John 17:17) Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.
btw I like your original proposa ...[text shortened]... uding a Scripture (or quotation if non-believer). It can get to the heart of the matter quickly.
Thanks, roigam.
"The fool has said in his heart [mind, rational thought process, immaterial being], there is no God..." (Psalm 14:1)
Originally posted by RJHindsThe Bible is clear. There is hope for all.
However, you seem to have a distorted view of the Bible's version of things. 😏
(Romans 10:2) For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge.
(1 Timothy 2:3, 4) This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4 whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
So, we don't give up on anyone.
