Witness Lee on the Need for Believing

@sonship said
@divegeester
What reluctance?

@divegeester

I only saw it once.
Or I only noticed it once.

I've got several threads here to consider, Sherlock Holmes.
You always imagine I am on the edge of my seat reading only your few spicy
little cracks.

@sonship said
@divegeester

I only saw it once.
Or I only noticed it once.

I've got several threads here to consider, Sherlock Holmes.
You always imagine I am on the edge of my seat reading only your few spicy
little cracks.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Repetition much.

@divegeester said
I’m asking because I suspect, in fact I know that you’re in a cult. But I’m asking you to see if you are ashamed of your cult’s practices, it seems you are too ashamed to answer.

Here is my comment and question once again - I’ll bold it to help you see it:

I have read account of ex Recovery members claiming that they were not permitted to read material which cont ...[text shortened]... ticised the movement.

Is this something you have either witnessed or personally experienced?

Still avoiding the question, now why would that be I wonder…

I think a question was asked about forbidding to read other materials.
This was probably a trainee from a FTT (Full Time Training) having second thoughts about what he signed to voluntarily participate in. He was probably instructed to stay away from opposing literature during the training - A training to which HE desired to attend, which HE was recommended to and HE voluntarily joined for a period of time.

Usually these college kids signed something agreeing to attend and cooperate with a training curriculum on the healthy Christian practices and preaching the gospel and serving the church.

It last a number of semesters which maximum is two years typically in the US. Attendees agree voluntarily to participate.

Whenever you have an arrangement like this you always run the risk of someone dropping out for some reason. And a change of mind occurs about regulations.
These are training sessions and not general church meetings.

And and yes, sometime, agreed upon cooperation is given second thoughts.

Questions about the Full Time Trainings are fielded often publicly on Internet.
Ie. This is an example not particularly speaking the case raised.

Uni Students - Q&R
YouTube

YouTube&t=52s

Public website with articles dedicated to controversial questions raised about the Lord's recovery and the local churches.

https://shepherdingwords.com/articles/tags/

Keywords (tags) help to locate issues.

@sonship said
He was probably instructed to stay away from opposing literature during the training - A training to which HE desired to attend, which HE was recommended to and HE voluntarily joined for a period of time.

@sonship said
I think a question was asked about forbidding to read other materials.
This was probably a trainee from a FTT (Full Time Training) having second thoughts about what he signed to voluntarily participate in. He was probably instructed to stay away from opposing literature during the training - A training to which HE desired to attend, which HE was recommended to and HE volunta ...[text shortened]... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkl6YEVCIU4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAAQRXuRsDk&t=52s

@ghost-of-a-duke said
You mean during the indoctrination period?


........Cult.

@sonship said
That sounds very cautious, fair and liberal minded of you.
Then again it could be that you just never had anything worth being dedicated to.

I personally think - and this is meant as a general statement and not to anyone or about anyone - that people of faith who are rigid and controlling are not allowing God’s Holy Spirit to work in the life of a believer.

In my Christian walk, I have come across people who are “my way or the highway” types and I’ve always been turned off by them because I believe God’s Holy Spirit plays a vital role in every Christian’s life and for any fallible man to sort of assume complete control over a new Christian and what he or she is exposed to seems (to me) to usurp the Holy Spirit’s role.

I’m not saying guidance isn’t needed, but guidance in the form of advice and being receptive to questions and giving honest answers is different than controlling someone.

I remember as a relatively young Christian, I attended a Thanksgiving dinner with the pastor of my church and some of his family members and the pastor said something that was Scripturally inaccurate. Someone corrected him and he seemed offended and upset that his authority had been challenged.

This is what I’m getting at. For a Christian, his or her authority is the Holy Bible. It’s not a pastor or deacon or priest. It’s the Bible. Men are fallible and prove it every day. The Bible isn’t fallible. I trust the Bible and I trust God. I don’t trust men and don’t rely on men for the truth.

Particular teaching sessions for volunteers goes back to Acts 19:9 at least.
Paul took certain opened ones in his audience away from hecklers and gave them
special attention in an environment of his arranging free from opposition.

Acts 19:9 - "But when some were hardened and would not be persuaded, speaking evil of the Way before the multitude, he withdrew from them and separated the disciples, reasoning daily in the school of Tyrannus. And this took place for two years, so that all those dwelling in Asia heard the word of the Lord, both Jews and Greeks."

Of course he could not force these groups to stop listening to his opposers.
He could certainly recommend it strongly to them.

Christians workers have done similar for centuries.

@sonship said
Particular teaching sessions for volunteers goes back to Acts 19:9 at least.
Paul took certain opened ones in his audience away from hecklers and gave them
special attention in an environment of his arranging free from opposition.

[b]Acts 19:9 - "But when some were hardened and would not be persuaded, speaking evil of the Way before the multitude, he wit ...[text shortened]... d certainly recommend it strongly to them.

Christians workers have done similar for centuries.