15 Oct 10
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie===============================
While your humility is truly admirable Jaywill and your sincerity genuine, in truth it seems a little Calvanistic to believe that some are predestined for salvation and others are not, don't you think? (not that that is of course what you are saying), in fact, it goes against all inclinations that God is not partial and that in every nation the man t Not that you are of course righteous, just that you want to be. Any objections are welcome.
While your humility is truly admirable Jaywill and your sincerity genuine, in truth it seems a little Calvanistic to believe that some are predestined for salvation and others are not, don't you think?
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I would not be bothered by that.
If you wish to be saved just begin the THANK the Lord Jesus Christ for Who He is and what He is done.
As a matter of fact it would be marvelous for a sinner to come to salvation in Jesus by THANKING God in faith that God did predestinate him before the foundation of the world to be His own.
Like this:
"Lord Jesus, I praise and thank You that before I was even born, you chose me to be redeemed and have Your eternal life. Thank you Lord Jesus that before I even sinned your precious blood was shed to erase the guilt of every offense and trespass I ever committed, and that even before I was born.
By faith, Lord Jesus, I thank You for your marvelous predestinating me to be cleansed in Your precious blood, and filled with Your Holy Spirit. I now receive You with thanksgiving.
Amen."
That would be a marvelous foundation for a Christian walk. And I think God would honor such a prayer of faith if it was sincere. I pray this way about some things.
He doesn't want you to grovel. He wants you to BELIEVE. Calvin may not have been wrong about everything. Why not simply THANK Jesus Christ for your own predestination ?
15 Oct 10
Originally posted by jaywillreading between the lines i am not entirely sure whether you are professing belief in predestination or not Jaywill, never the less, i agree that an appreciative heart is surely a prerequisite for being accepted, indeed do not the scriptures state that God searches the hearts of mankind?
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While your humility is truly admirable Jaywill and your sincerity genuine, in truth it seems a little Calvanistic to believe that some are predestined for salvation and others are not, don't you think?
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I would not be bothered by that.
If you wish to be saved just begin the THA ...[text shortened]... een wrong about everything. Why not simply THANK Jesus Christ for your own predestination ?[/b]
(Jeremiah 17:10) . . .I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, examining the kidneys, even to give to each one according to his ways, according to the fruitage of his dealings. . .
(Romans 8:27) . . .Yet he who searches the hearts knows what the meaning of the spirit . . .
15 Oct 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm going to have to amend this line from you slightly Rob,
reading between the lines i am not entirely sure whether you are professing belief in predestination or not Jaywill, never the less, i agree that an appreciative heart is surely a prerequisite for being accepted, indeed do not the scriptures state that God searches the hearts of mankind?
(Jeremiah 17:10) . . .I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, ex ...[text shortened]...
(Romans 8:27) . . .Yet he who searches the hearts knows what the meaning of the spirit . . .
i agree that an appreciative heart is surely a prerequisite for being accepted [and i feel we have to insert our 'piece of knowledge of the month' here], and a member of the Jehovah's Witness organisation to boot.
Because you won't be saved unless your a JW.
15 Oct 10
Originally posted by Proper Knobyes but we are not talking of my beliefs are we, we are referring to Jaywills, and please be careful about amending a persons texts, its a violation of the rules of the site.
I'm going to have to amend this line from you slightly Rob,
i agree that an appreciative heart is surely a prerequisite for being accepted [and i feel we have to insert our 'piece of knowledge of the month' here], and a member of the Jehovah's Witness organisation to boot.
Because you won't be saved unless your a JW.
15 Oct 10
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie=======================================
reading between the lines i am not entirely sure whether you are professing belief in predestination or not Jaywill, never the less, i agree that an appreciative heart is surely a prerequisite for being accepted, indeed do not the scriptures state that God searches the hearts of mankind?
(Jeremiah 17:10) . . .I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, ex ...[text shortened]...
(Romans 8:27) . . .Yet he who searches the hearts knows what the meaning of the spirit . . .
reading between the lines i am not entirely sure whether you are professing belief in predestination or not Jaywill, never the less, i agree that an appreciative heart is surely a prerequisite for being accepted, indeed do not the scriptures state that God searches the hearts of mankind?
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Let it be ambiguous. Because men are not saved by the doctrine of predestination. They are saved by Jesus. He is a living Person, an available Person.
This simplicity escapes man for some reason. You have to contact the living Person of Jesus Christ. And I would say not only in the initial stage of salvation but in every subsequent stage also.
"As therefore you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, walk in Him."
As the Christian intially touched the living Spirit of the Person of Jesus, so he must continue step by step with this intimate touching in order to "walk in Him".
Now below is a hymn written about Christ Himself which illustrates this matter:
"Not the law of letters,
But the Christ of life
God desires to give us,
Saving us from strife;
It is not some doctrine,
But 'tis Christ Himself
Who alone releases
From our sinful self.
Any kind of teaching,
Any kind of form,
Cannot quicken spirits
Or our souls transform;
It is Christ as Spirit
Gives us life divine,
Thus thru us to live the
Life of God's design.
Not philosophy nor
Any element
Can to Christ conform us
As His complement
But 'tis Christ Himself who
All our nature takes
And in resurrection
Us His members makes.
Not religion, even
Christianity,
Can fulfill God's purpose
Or economy;
But 'tis Christ within us
As our all in all
Satisfies God's wishes,
And His plan withal.
All the gifts we're given
By the Lord in grace,
All the different functions
Cannot Christ replace.
Only Christ Himself must
Be our all in all!
Only Christ Himself in
All things, great or small!
[Hymns 541, LSM, Witness Lee]
15 Oct 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuI prefer the upanishadic traditions
May i add something here.
You are never chosen and this is a misconception (there are no chosen people)
Spiritual life is meant to bring one to the understanding of who they really are (spiritual soul eternal) what is God and what is the purpose of this life we all have, of birth, disease,old age and death.
The only bonafide teaching to give us a ...[text shortened]... truth will not become a christian, or muslim or jew and will search elsewhere for higher truth.
15 Oct 10
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beOriginally posted by robbie carrobieWhat confuses me is ones growing in truth yet separated from acknowledging, using another version of what "has been ordained to BE ordained" is taking from the Holy Bible, and asked that this not be done.
reading between the lines i am not entirely sure whether you are professing belief in predestination or not Jaywill, never the less, i agree that an appreciative heart is surely a prerequisite for being accepted, indeed do not the scriptures state that God searches the hearts of mankind?
(Jeremiah 17:10) . . .I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, ...[text shortened]...
(Romans 8:27) . . .Yet he who searches the hearts knows what the meaning of the spirit . . .
Revelation 22:18 (King James Version)
Now, if you were at some Church, and saw some one mark it with a marker, would not this one be tampering with what is meant as holy?
If what was given 2,000 yrs ago for all mankind to learn from, and had been called holy, has tampering of someone choosing to try to cypher another way of expressing what IS HOLY, is this not adding and taking from this holiness?
Please understand, I am not condemning any of you, and most assuredly not you, robbie, I just am sharing another approach to recognize this.. Sorry, but I care
16 Oct 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuWhat about a meat-eating mind-bender who lives in an Islamic country?
May i add something here.
You are never chosen and this is a misconception (there are no chosen people)
Spiritual life is meant to bring one to the understanding of who they really are (spiritual soul eternal) what is God and what is the purpose of this life we all have, of birth, disease,old age and death.
The only bonafide teaching to give us a ...[text shortened]... truth will not become a christian, or muslim or jew and will search elsewhere for higher truth.
Are you saying they have no chance at all?
And why not? Why are they chosen not to be as wise as you?
17 Oct 10
Originally posted by trev33And atheists choose to worship only themselves.
people are weak and need to believe in something to help them through life, some feel a god/s are looking after them while others find different means. so basically to answer your question, their 'god' didn't chose them they choose their god/s.