27 Jun 17
Originally posted by checkbaiterSo, merely thinking some convoluted stuff about yourself takes care of these supposed "violations of God's law" and guarantees immortality. Presumably no amount of "violations of God's law" ~ as long as there is "repentance" ~ matters. One is "saved" for having certain thoughts, and it cannot be undone, right?
Because there is the reality of genuine repentance.
So is "judgement" about how "genuine" the "repentance" is?
Originally posted by checkbaiterWell, let me ask a question about annihilation.
I am glad I don't have to explain it either, but I consider it an honor to explain that I believe the bible teaches annihilation. It clears God of any "darkness", imagined or real.
If for God to put anyone under the wrath of God (John 3:36) is for him to be non-existent, then does that mean that all who are non-existent are under the judgment of God's wrath ?
Mr. Allen K. Noone has never been born. He doesn't exist. Allen K. Noone has never been at any time in existence. Is this person under the wrath of God ?
27 Jun 17
Originally posted by sonshipSounds like a nonsense question.
Well, let me ask a question about annihilation.
If for God to put anyone under the wrath of God [b](John 3:36) is for him to be non-existent, then does that mean that all who are non-existent are under the judgment of God's wrath ?
Mr. Allen K. Atheist has never been born. He doesn't exist. Has never been at any time in existence. Is this person under the wrath of God ?[/b]
Under the wrath of God means to face judgment and punishment.
Originally posted by Rajk999I read the teachings of some strong Annihilationists.
Sounds like a nonsense question.
Under the wrath of God means to face judgment and punishment.
I have heard them explain that the eternal judgment is non-existence not eternal suffering. Hence the question.
Does that mean that all who do not exist and have never been born are under the judgment of God ?
Give the man a chance to offer a reply.
27 Jun 17
Originally posted by sonshipThis is sophistry, sonship. If the punishment is termination of existence [not "non-existence"], how is that related in any way to never having existed. Is wordplay all you have to offer?
I have heard them explain that the eternal judgment is non-existence not eternal suffering. Hence the question. Does that mean that all who do not exist and have never been born are under the judgment of God ?
27 Jun 17
Originally posted by sonshipWhat an incredibly dumb question!
I read the teachings of some strong Annihilationists.
I have heard them explain that the eternal judgment is non-existence not eternal suffering. Hence the question.
Does that mean that all who do not exist and have never been born are under the judgment of God ?
Give the man a chance to offer a reply.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneRepent for the kingdom means to repent for not being under the administration of God.
If the repentance were truly genuine, the individual would cease to sin.
It is to repent for not being under God as King.
This is the opening of the New Testament in Matthew by both John the Baptist and by Jesus.
In the typical concept of many people is that the New Testament should first teach to repent for stealing or repent for murder or repent for adultery, etc, But it states that men should first repent for not being under the rule of God. Men should repent for the kingdom. Men should have a change of mind concerning the administration of God over their lives.
First man needs to repent simply for not being for God and not being under God's administration.
Originally posted by Rajk999A simple answer has not come yet.
What an incredibly dumb question!
To counter the teaching of eternal suffering for the rejecting of Christ, I have heard the argument that the second death has to be annihilation into non-existence. That is the the judgment and the punishment - non-existence.
"He who believes into the Son has eternal life; but he who disobeys the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him." (John 3:36)
How can the wrath of God abide on anyone who does not exist?
Are all who do not exist now abiding under the wrath of God ?
27 Jun 17
Originally posted by sonshipAre you that stupid?
A simple answer has not come yet.
To counter the teaching of eternal suffering for the rejecting of Christ, I have heard the argument that the second death has to be annihilation into non-existence. That is the the judgment and the punishment - [b]non-existence.
[quote] "He who believes into the Son has eternal life; but he who disobeys the Son ...[text shortened]... de on anyone who does not exist?
Are all who do not exist now abiding under the wrath of God ?