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Originally posted by robbie carrobieMy posts were quite relevant. They may not rise up to the level of yours, but, all I was saying is that you are destroying threads by waltzing in here like a know-it-all and shouting down and instulting your contemporaries with whom you disagree.
i am sorry i did not understand it was a Sunday school picnic, now that your bitchin is
over, do you have anything of RELEVANCE to state?
And now I have something of relevance to say.
The Scriptures leave no doubt that Jesus Christ was/is divine in nature. And the Jews killed Him for leading his followers to make such a claim, a claim which He would not disavow, even under the threat of the punishment of crucifixion. Jesus Christ is LORD, MESSIAH, and DIVINE.
John 8:58 - Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."
Mark 2:28 - So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.
Col 1:19 - For in [Christ] all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell
John 20:28 - Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
Phil 2:9-11 - Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
John 1:18 - No one has ever seen God; the only God (i.e. Jesus Christ), who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.
23 Oct 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHe was also answering the Jews question as to who He thought He was by
exactly, Christ is referring to his pre-human existence, couldn't have said it better
myself. Well actually i could have, but you know, modesty prevents and al that.
referring to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the Hebrew scriptures
known as "I AM". Why else would they felt He deseved stoning according to
the law and stated that He, being a man, made Himself out to be God?
23 Oct 11
Originally posted by sumydidrobbie has heard all this before sumydid. I posted every relevant verse I could find one time or another these past 5 or 6 years, but to no avail.
My posts were quite relevant. They may not rise up to the level of yours, but, all I was saying is that you are destroying threads by waltzing in here like a know-it-all and shouting down and instulting your contemporaries with whom you disagree.
And now I have something of relevance to say.
The Scriptures leave no doubt that Jesus Christ was/is divin ...[text shortened]... n God; the only God (i.e. Jesus Christ), who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.
I was one dunking away from becoming a JW some 30 years ago. I know the brainwashing. robbie is thoroughly immersed.
Unless by some miracle he sees the light.
23 Oct 11
Originally posted by sumydidThomas had to see to believe. The JWs look like they will also have to see
RJH - thanks again for taking the time to have me do some reflecting upon the mystery of the Trinity. I think I'm coming around but I have a ways to go. What Thomas said in John 20:28 is looking pretty clear, huh?
to believe.
23 Oct 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieyou can go here for the different translations both greek (multiple) and english:
sorry uninterested in your dogma, make reference to the Greek text, otherwise we
shall conclude you have no idea what the text actually says.
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/B43C008.htm#V58
more to come on this, but please note that the different greek texts seem to agree as well as numerous translations.
23 Oct 11
Originally posted by RJHindsBut remember what Jesus said to his disciples; " blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
Thomas had to see to believe. The JWs look like they will also have to see
to believe.
robbie should read Thomas' reply to Jesus on that occasion. "My Lord and my God".
But I'm sure the Greek of the Watchtower has a lower case "g".
23 Oct 11
Originally posted by sumydidNote it is God the Son who has made GOD in totality known. That is,
My posts were quite relevant. They may not rise up to the level of yours, but, all I was saying is that you are destroying threads by waltzing in here like a know-it-all and shouting down and instulting your contemporaries with whom you disagree.
And now I have something of relevance to say.
The Scriptures leave no doubt that Jesus Christ was/is divin ...[text shortened]... n God; the only God (i.e. Jesus Christ), who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. He said go
baptise in the name (singular, one God) of the Father, and the Son,
and the Holy Spirit. This is clearly ONE GOD in THREE PERSONS.
There are not three Gods but one God as the Trinity Doctrine declares.
23 Oct 11
Originally posted by DowardThat is a good source; but the JWs will not even consider the fact that
This site is quite interesting. The author clearly is a greek expert, and explains in detail why the translators translated "ego eimi" as "I am". It seems pretty clear that the author meant it to be read that way.
http://neirr.org/egoeimi.htm
the Watchtower Society that is claimed to have been set up by God
on earth would attempt to deceive them.
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Originally posted by josephwIt is interesting to reflect upon this. It runs very deep.
But remember what Jesus said to his disciples; " blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
robbie should read Thomas' reply to Jesus on that occasion. "My Lord and my God".
But I'm sure the Greek of the Watchtower has a lower case "g".
On the one hand, we can argue that the disciples "had it easy" insofar as achieving justifying faith, because they obviously saw it first hand - leaving no room for doubt and disbelief. However, they had it tougher than the vast majority of Christians today, insofar as they were persecuted much more severely and martyred/put to death for their claims.
We today find faith much more difficult as we have not seen the events spoken of in the Gospel, firsthand. However our persecution in most cases takes the form of mere ridicule and verbal assaults.
Imagine how difficult it is for the Christians in the Middle East, China, and Korea where they are persecuted and put to death, PLUS their faith is based on things unseen. Wow.
23 Oct 11
Originally posted by sumydidExactly. Hallelu YAH !!!
It is interesting to reflect upon this. It runs very deep.
On the one hand, we can argue that the disciples "had it easy" insofar as achieving justifying faith, because they obviously saw it first hand - leaving no room for doubt and disbelief. However, they had it tougher than the vast majority of Christians today, insofar as they were persecuted much ...[text shortened]... where they are persecuted and put to death, PLUS their faith is based on things unseen. Wow.
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I guess we each take our own approach to "understanding the scriptures" but it is "the spirit that leads us into all truth". The deity of Jesus Christ and his claims about it are the "sword" he spoke when he said "do not think I have come to bring peace on earth" - how many people miss that little insight; "I have not come to bring piece on earth but a sword" (not the sword of war btw, but the sword of the spirit that divides the truth from the false).
The truth of who Jesus claimed to be is obvious to any casual reader of the accounts of his preaching. On several occasions the people took up stones to stone him - why? He was directly claiming to be the human incarnation of Jehovah, and claiming that salvation came only through his own name not through Jehovah's. No wonder they hated and feared him.
There is no half-way house with who we think Jesus is; I.e saying he is God's agent or supernatural entity etc. He was not "a good man trying to heal the sick" he was not a "hippy" or a "socialist" as others say - he was a saviour and a spiritual revolutionary on a singular mission to reconcile mankind back to himself. He was hated for a reason 2000 years ago. and he is hated today by some and denied his rightful glory by others.
They were going to stone him because he was saying he was God incarnate
Once we accept that this is the case, we are brought back to the counter of truth* - do you believe Jesus or not? If you do not believe him, then do not call yourself a Christian, because by your own mouth - you are not.
*Buy the truth, and sell it not (Prov 23:23a)