Originally posted by 667joeJust because there is no proof that God exists, that doesn't mean that religion is a fraud.
Religion is a fraud because there is no proof that god exists. I wish you could ask any of the men or women burned at the stake at the hands of the Inquisition if Christianity is dangerous!
And Christianity is not dangerous. It is inherently a religion of peace, like Islam. Evil men have used religion as excuse to foment their evil upon an unsuspecting world. Lay blame where blame is deserved.
Originally posted by Suzianne
Just because there is no proof that God exists, that doesn't mean that religion is a fraud.
And Christianity is not dangerous. It is inherently a religion of peace, like Islam. Evil men have used religion as excuse to foment their evil upon an unsuspecting world. Lay blame where blame is deserved.
Islam is not a religion of peace.
Quran (9:29) = "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Quran (2:191-193) = "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun."
Quran (5:33) = "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement."
Quran (3:151) = "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority."
Quran (8:12) = "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."
Quran (2:216) = "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (8:67) = "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."
Quran (3:56) = "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (9:30) = "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
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What does the Religion of Peace Teach About Violence
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
Muslims Say The Quran Says Islam Is A Religion Of Peace. Let's Read The Quran And Find Out!
Originally posted by RJHindsI am so glad that you realize that such things as context (including historical context) are not important when it comes to reading religious scriptures. Or symbol or metaphor.Islam is not a religion of peace.
Quran (9:29) = "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of sub ...[text shortened]... s A Religion Of Peace. Let's Read The Quran And Find Out!
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1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' "
Psalm 137:8 O daughter Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall they be who pay you back what you have done to us! 9 Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock!
Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and one's foes will be members of one's own household.
Revelation 6:4 And out came another horse, bright red; its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people would slaughter one another; and he was given a great sword.
—Just a quick selection. Again, I’m glad you realize that just taking verses out of context is sufficient to understand what particular religious scriptures actually say.
Originally posted by SuzianneWhy is it that some theists are so certain that religion can only ever have positive influences? If someone does something bad, then it is all on them and they are merely using the religion as an excuse. If someone does something good, then we can attribute it to the religion. Seems like cheating to me.
And Christianity is not dangerous. It is inherently a religion of peace, like Islam. Evil men have used religion as excuse to foment their evil upon an unsuspecting world. Lay blame where blame is deserved.
Originally posted by yoctobyteIn my view fraudulent behaviour is when you are peddling something that you know not to be true. As such I would say that most theists do seem to believe most of the basic tenets of their religion and in that sense are not frauds. I do however often see fraudulent behaviour amongst Christians when they are promoting their religion especially to children ie they outright lie for the sake of either furthering their religion or encouraging moral behaviour.
For something to be a fraud, you would have to have something legitimate, wouldn't you?
There is no 'proof' of the dangers of Christianity or Islam as you assert...
There is however ample evidence.
and as you have rightly stated "the vast majority" of Christians and Muslims are decent and harmless.
I would assert that nobody is entirely 'decent and harmless'. As for 'the vast majority' I invite you to try disputing these statistics:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm
06 Dec 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadIt is cheating. The flipside would be cheating, too. (I do believe that Archbishop Romero’s stand against oppression in El Salvador was at least in part driven by a “religious experience” that he had that compelled him, as a priest of God, to take a stand that he would otherwise have been reluctant to take. That is how he certainly seems to have interpreted it. That is just offered as an example.)
Why is it that some theists are so certain that religion can only ever have positive influences? If someone does something bad, then it is all on them and they are merely using the religion as an excuse. If someone does something good, then we can attribute it to the religion. Seems like cheating to me.
06 Dec 15
Originally posted by vistesdRevelation 6:4 is talking about Islam. 😏
I am so glad that you realize that such things as context (including historical context) are not important when it comes to reading religious scriptures. Or symbol or metaphor.
1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but [b]kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey ...[text shortened]... es out of context is sufficient to understand what particular religious scriptures actually say.
06 Dec 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadAll have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. But will we be saved by murdering a bunch of people and crying out ...
In my view fraudulent behaviour is when you are peddling something that you know not to be true. As such I would say that most theists do seem to believe most of the basic tenets of their religion and in that sense are not frauds. I do however often see fraudulent behaviour amongst Christians when they are promoting their religion especially to children i ...[text shortened]... ou to try disputing these statistics:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm
allahu akbar
Originally posted by vistesdAgreed. I went to a school run by Irish Brothers and have no doubt that religion played a role in their dedication to education.
It is cheating. The flipside would be cheating, too. (I do believe that Archbishop Romero’s stand against oppression in El Salvador was at least in part driven by a “religious experience” that he had that compelled him, as a priest of God, to take a stand that he would otherwise have been reluctant to take. That is how he certainly seems to have interpreted it. That is just offered as an example.)
The two worst parts about religion are:
1. that they cause or enhance divisions when there are members of different religions living in the same society.
2. that they discourage criticism of fellow members of the region especially when those members are in a position of authority in the religion.
06 Dec 15
Originally posted by RJHindsAnd your hate condemns you even before you begin. Let it go.Islam is not a religion of peace.
Quran (9:29) = "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of sub ...[text shortened]... s A Religion Of Peace. Let's Read The Quran And Find Out!
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06 Dec 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou say this because you have no faith. Of course you must lay blame where it's most comfortable for you, regardless of the truth.
Why is it that some theists are so certain that religion can only ever have positive influences? If someone does something bad, then it is all on them and they are merely using the religion as an excuse. If someone does something good, then we can attribute it to the religion. Seems like cheating to me.
Or you could begin to make truth comfortable for you and begin to have faith.
Originally posted by SuzianneNo, I say it because it is true. Pretending that I said it merely because I am uncomfortable is just your way of avoiding addressing the actual point I made.
You say this because you have no faith.
Or you could begin to make truth comfortable for you and begin to have faith.
Or you could stop spewing hatred on the forums every day and actually try to read peoples posts for a change?