26 Feb 08
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou seriously interested? OK.
No thread could be complete, really, without some hare-brained futile jaunt down the rabbit hole of evolution. So here ya go.
We have self-replicating organisms, with occasional small random mutations. Any mutation that increases the chances of the organism surviving to successfully breed (and to raise its offspring to successfully breed, etc.) has a slightly higher probability of being passed on to successive generations compared to its competitors. Any mutation that decreases the chances has a lower probability.
Repeat for several billion years. A simple, yet very powerful, mechanism.
26 Feb 08
Originally posted by mtthwA simple, yet very powerful, mechanism.
You seriously interested? OK.
We have self-replicating organisms, with occasional small random mutations. Any mutation that increases the chances of the organism surviving to successfully breed (and to raise its offspring to successfully breed, etc.) has a slightly higher probability of being passed on to successive generations compared to its competitors ...[text shortened]... lower probability.
Repeat for several billion years. A simple, yet very powerful, mechanism.
Sure. Just like, say, gravity or some such, right?
26 Feb 08
Originally posted by FreakyKBHNot really. Gravity is a fundamental force, natural selection isn't. It's an emergent behaviour that is a consequence of having self-replication.
[b] A simple, yet very powerful, mechanism.
Sure. Just like, say, gravity or some such, right?[/b]
26 Feb 08
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I would call natural selection a process, rather than behaviour. Every species has an urge to survive. To do that, they breed. To breed, organisms must survive until they reach a state in which they are able to reproduce. The weakest ones die due to being unable to survive. The strongest ones survive, breed and pass their genome on to the next generation. Survival of the strongest occurs for each generation, thus slowly causing the species to evolute, hence become stronger, smarter etc. Natural selection can shortly described like this - nature selects the strongest organisms to reproduce.
That's the way I understand natural selection.
26 Feb 08
Originally posted by FreakyKBH"Emergence" just refers to the way (often complex) properties can arise from basic rules without being an obvious result of those rules.
"An emergent behaviour." That's a loaded concept. Mind defining that one?
It's possibly not the best phrase to use to define natural selection, but I was trying to emphasise the way that gravity is a pretty fundamental property of the way the universe works at a basic level, whereas natural selection, like other biological and environmental processes, works at a higher level.
26 Feb 08
Originally posted by kbaumenthat's not my point. if you take a quick peek at freaky's past public forum posts, you'll soon realize that talking about biology (which I would like) is not the reason for starting this thread.
Why? Natural selection -> biology is science. On the other hand, it really isn't that exact. It's rather debatable.
26 Feb 08
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Originally posted by kbaumenThe reason this should go to spirituality is because the person isn't actually interested in scientific discussion.... They wish to poke holes in an established and accepted theory which doesn't agree with their beliefs, but because they lack a valid scientific alternative they just try and knock down other peoples work... Which is clear from the initial phrasing of the post, and not due the persons historical posts.....
Why? Natural selection -> biology is science. On the other hand, it really isn't that exact. It's rather debatable.
27 Feb 08
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI can get evolution into ANY hard headed guy/gal out there. It's time to get people educated. Who doubts evolution exists? My challenge.
No thread could be complete, really, without some hare-brained futile jaunt down the rabbit hole of evolution. So here ya go.
27 Feb 08
Originally posted by serigadoI do...... There is clearly no evidence for "Macro" Evolution (Wtf does that even mean) only small scale changes which occur within distinctly defined species. Granted if these were given sufficient time perhaps they could result in difference species. BUT since the world is only 15'000 years old there simply isn't time.... We know the world is this old because the bible kind of says so. And since everything in the bible is true, there is little evidence for evolution QED
I can get evolution into ANY hard headed guy/gal out there. It's time to get people educated. Who doubts evolution exists? My challenge.
HAHA defeat my circular logic.....
27 Feb 08
Originally posted by Mexico1 - macro evolution does not exist
I do...... There is clearly no evidence for "Macro" Evolution (Wtf does that even mean) only small scale changes which occur within distinctly defined species. Granted if these were given sufficient time perhaps they could result in difference species. BUT since the world is only 15'000 years old there simply isn't time.... We know the world is this old beca ...[text shortened]... is true, there is little evidence for evolution QED
HAHA defeat my circular logic.....
2 - the world is no more then 7k yrs
even some fundamentalist christians can interpret the bible in a way saying earth can be a lot older.
Not a single thing in the bible can be proven true -> this breaks your circular logic.
Even assuming all is true, it can be interpreted in a away to be coherent with evolution... Some christians do.
27 Feb 08
Originally posted by serigadoBUT there are fossilized trees with no growth rings..... proving that the atmosphere was once perfect.... Thus that the garden of eden existed.... QED the bible is true......
1 - macro evolution does not exist
2 - the world is no more then 7k yrs
even some fundamentalist christians can interpret the bible in a way saying earth can be a lot older.
Not a single thing in the bible can be proven true -> this breaks your circular logic.
Even assuming all is true, it can be interpreted in a away to be coherent with evolution... Some christians do.
Also There are fossils of sea creatures on top of mountains proving the flood, and thus proving the bible is true once again......