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There are a lot of people who divide us into groups putting some up and tearing some down. There a common worth we all share?
@kellyjay saidCan you give a few examples for context please?
There are a lot of people who divide us into groups putting some up and tearing some down.
@rookie54 saidTrees share the make up of other trees, shared makeup doesn’t show the worth of a tree.
red blood,
white bones...
infectious disease,
cameraphones...
@kellyjay saidCan you give a few examples of what you mean in your OP please?
Trees share the make up of other trees, shared makeup doesn’t show the worth of a tree.
@kellyjay saidI boldly suggest Christianity does just that. It divides humans up into those worthy of salvation and those destined for damnation.
There are a lot of people who divide us into groups putting some up and tearing some down. There a common worth we all share?
@kellyjay saidWhat do you think is the "common worth" you share with me and other atheists?
There are a lot of people who divide us into groups putting some up and tearing some down. There a common worth we all share?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidFirst of all, I think humans having religions is an understandable upshot of the human capacity for imagination and abstraction and of the human condition generally [especially being aware of one's own mortality and clinging to aspirations that help one to cope with that].
I put it to you sir that religion gets in the way of what it truly means to be human and denigrates our commonality.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWho are the worthy and why in your opinion as you understand Christianity? As I understand Christianity, it has all of us equally flawed in need of a savior to save us from our sins.
I boldly suggest Christianity does just that. It divides humans up into those worthy of salvation and those destined for damnation.
I put it to you sir that religion gets in the way of what it truly means to be human and denigrates our commonality.
@fmf saidThe labels are meaningless they add nothing or take away anything. Calling someone by any label does not turn them into something new or different than they really are. You don’t get permission to behave differently than you should by calling yourself something differently than you call someone else. The value is equal in my estimation, you have a different opinion or perspective?
What do you think is the "common worth" you share with me and other atheists?
@kellyjay saidBut your version of Christianity has people who don't believe the same things ~ about a man who died 2,000 years ago ~ as you do being 'deservedly' "tormented in burning flames" for eternity.
Who are the worthy and why in your opinion as you understand Christianity? As I understand Christianity, it has all of us equally flawed in need of a savior to save us from our sins.
@kellyjay saidThe words "and other atheists" seemed to set you off.
The labels are meaningless they add nothing or take away anything. Calling someone by any label does not turn them into something new or different than they really are. You don’t get permission to behave differently than you should by calling yourself something differently than you call someone else.
@fmf saidThere is nothing about me that makes me any better than anyone else on my own. Without Christ we are all sinners without hope, but we were made for so much more. Created in the image of our Creator, that makes us very valuable from the least of us on.
The words "and other atheists" seemed to set you off.
"Labels" are useful shorthand. You presumably do not object to being seen and understood as "a Christian".
Anyway, I withdraw the words "and other atheists".
What do you think is the "common worth" you share with me?
We are "equal", is that right?
What makes you say that? What is the "worth" that you perceive?
@kellyjay saidI am reminded of one of the appaling 'gems' that Romans1009 came out with soon after he arrived here - and it was met with not one word of dissent from his fellow Christians, which means what it means.
Calling someone by any label does not turn them into something new or different than they really are.
@kellyjay saidIf your belief in Christ doesn't make you any better than me, why do I [according to your belief] face eternal torture after I die while you face eternal "paradise"? It seems to me that you claim to have some doubleplusgoodthink that I don't have, and that's all.
There is nothing about me that makes me any better than anyone else on my own.