13 Jul 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidSorry. Didn't know there was a limit on discussing particular subjects?
Having established yourself that this has been discussed many times before (understatement) why not think of an original topic to post?
Those are my comments.
13 Jul 19
@fmf saidStrange but whatever.
I believe that "hell" and "sin" only exist in the minds of people whose religions feature them.
So if someone murders another, that is not a sin? If it's not what most would call a sin, what is it and why would authorities punish someone for that murder? Isn't many of our laws based on what the bible calls a sin?
13 Jul 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhy don't you say this to Rajk as he's repeated his comment here over and over and over for years. It's really getting old but then look who's saying it.
Having established yourself that this has been discussed many times before (understatement) why not think of an original topic to post?
Those are my comments.
@galveston75 saidWhat comment is that?
Why don't you say this to Rajk as he's repeated his comment here over and over and over for years. It's really getting old but then look who's saying it.
13 Jul 19
@galveston75 said
This has been discussed many times and with many opinions but most of the Christian religions believe it to be a place of eternal punishment that all who are not accepted by God will go to hell and burn forever.
We know there are some here that do not buy into that and as a sad result have turned their back on the bible and God because of not believing that God would do ...[text shortened]... It simply means all these things will never exist again​—Re 19:20; 20:14, 15; 21:8.
Comments?
10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground. 11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand; 12 when thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. 13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. 14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. 15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Genesis 3:10 - 15 AKJV
13 Jul 19
@rajk999 saidLol. Well seeing how you've only made one comment to me here, I'd have to say it would be that one.
What comment is that?
13 Jul 19
@deepthought saidOK, so what's your thought here?10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground. 11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand; 12 when thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. 13 And ...[text shortened]... e Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Genesis 3:10 - 15 AKJV
@DeepThought
there was no garden of eden, hence, there was no abel or cain.
the "garden of eden" was a habitation presently under the arabian sea. as the valley where the sea lies today filled up as
the indian ocean overcame the natural barrier to the south the
people moved north and upward over time.
sumer was then established. sumer was established as a city with complete seperation of workers from overseers. it has no
foundation prior to it's existence. it comes into the world fully
intact as a city with seperate occupations and social structure.
this is so because it was not "developed in situ" but rather from
an already organized civilization ( the people of eden who fled the rising waters of the indian ocean ).
cain and abel are a story. ask the people of nod.
13 Jul 19
@galveston75 saidI don't see how it's strange. It's only a "sin" in the mind of a person who believes that it is a transgression of a deity's will.
Strange but whatever.
So if someone murders another, that is not a sin?
13 Jul 19
@galveston75 saidTo me it'd be immoral rather than a "sin". It would be punished by authorities because it'd be against the law.
If it's not what most would call a sin, what is it and why would authorities punish someone for that murder?
@galveston75 saidYes. Things forbidden by law are often things that are seen by many people as being "sins".
Isn't many of our laws based on what the bible calls a sin?
13 Jul 19
@galveston75 saidWe make our own hell by doing what we know is wrong and then remorse bites.
OK, so what's your thought here?
13 Jul 19
@mister-moggy saidIt doesn't matter whether the story is historical or not, what does the story say?
@DeepThought
there was no garden of eden, hence, there was no abel or cain.
the "garden of eden" was a habitation presently under the arabian sea. as the valley where the sea lies today filled up as
the indian ocean overcame the natural barrier to the south the
people moved north and upward over time.
sumer was then established. sumer was established as a ci ...[text shortened]... fled the rising waters of the indian ocean ).
cain and abel are a story. ask the people of nod.
@galveston75 saidJesus Christ is the main one speaking about hell, not many in any of the Old Testament books speak about Hell, hardly any in the New Testament speak about hell except Jesus. If you take Jesus seriously it would be important to listen to what He has to say about it, in other words he who has ears to hear listen.
This has been discussed many times and with many opinions but most of the Christian religions believe it to be a place of eternal punishment that all who are not accepted by God will go to hell and burn forever.
We know there are some here that do not buy into that and as a sad result have turned their back on the bible and God because of not believing that God would do ...[text shortened]... It simply means all these things will never exist again​—Re 19:20; 20:14, 15; 21:8.
Comments?
Matthew 25:
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. “
It is a place prepared for the fallen devil and his angels, a place of eternal fire. Yet as we see, it will not just be the devil and his angels going there, but those found unworthy for the Kingdom of God, people who died in their sins.
This is a place of torment designed for the devil and his demons, people are going to be thrown in it. For those that accept this, the disagreement then becomes, how long will the eternal torment last? We know it was designed for an eternal punishment, with some saying if you are totally destroyed that is eternally gone being no more, or others like myself believe, you are alive going through it aware of the punishment you’re in, you will continue to be, eternally as well. This is hell the never stopping, never lessening, forever being in the pains of it with no hope of redemption, because that time had come and gone unheeded.
If you want to face the wrath of God to see, have at it.
I've made no bones about sharing I believe the punishment is eternal with the one receiving this sentence at judgment day, experiencing it eternally.
The unworthy are going to stand before Jesus Christ, the very One who became sin for us. The One who took every evil wicked deed we have ever done, He paid in full the price for our lifetime of sin, every sin. At our very worse His love for us, while we were yet sinners, dead in our sins, without our asking Him, He came and died for us. Making away a way back between us and our creator to be the very things God made us for, to be in His image. If His sacrifice for us was in vain, than instead of Jesus paying for our sins, we will be guilty without hope before a Holy God our eternal destiny will be set for all time.
To be unworthy of that is the be cast out by the very one who knew no sin, that gave up a perfect love relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, to become a man. He then laid down the glory He had with the Father and Holy Spirit to endure all of our sins, to take the wrath of God poured out on Himself for our forgiveness, a much greater payment than a few good works we could do.
Once He became a man He lived among us, and for the joy set before Him, He obeyed what the Father wanted and endured it all to save us. So on top of our guilt for what we did, we also put Jesus through God’s wrath and ignored Him to our damnation.
Hebrews 12 English Standard Version (ESV)
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
We can make this about us if you like, you may think we don't deserve such a fate, but it isn't about us, it is about Jesus Christ! What Jesus did for us, was it in vain, or to God's glory we were redeemed by God.
13 Jul 19
@fmf saidimmoral[ ih-mawr-uhl, ih-mor- ]SHOW IPA
To me it'd be immoral rather than a "sin". It would be punished by authorities because it'd be against the law.
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