03 Sep 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobietoo late I already claimed victory so HA! and rightfully so, you have once again been soundly defeated by the forces of goodness and light😏
yes another poor trinitarian bites the dust! shall Deucer the Hutt fight on, or shall we claim victory in the name of truth and valour! it is often the way of it, when one is presented with a logical argument and all one has at ones disposal is an argument with emotional content, based on an experience type of thing. emotionalism I do not think can stand in the way of reason.
03 Sep 09
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Trying to explain the Person of God 🙂 We R 2 believe that the JW's have it all correct. There is no analogy to explain God in His fullness. I don't think the trinity is a mystery. It's revealed in the bible. Just because we can't explain it does not negate it. God the father. The Eternal Son. The spirit of God. I don't have an explanation how the son can hear the father saying This is my son in whom I am well pleased. The spirit descended as a dove upon Him. This idea did not just come out of no where it is revealed in the bible. This Spirit expresses emotions. The Spirit can be lied to.
Romans 8:26
26In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;
If the spirit is just a force why does the scripture give it (Him)person-hood? Just because a concept can't be explained does not negate it. Trying to explain God with logic? Light perfect example it's a particle.....no it's a wave. God created light! Ha I think these paradoxes are to put man in his place. We accept this as fact. Also just because there were pagan deities that were so called trinities that does not negate what is revealed in scripture. The concept of needing blood to atone for sin? Pagan religions believed this also so I guess we throw away this idea because pagan religions believed this. This is also revealed in scripture.
Manny
03 Sep 09
Originally posted by menace71Forget the JW's for a minute and see if you possibly can answer this: Why is it not possible, sense there is real confusion with the trinity as all you guys at one time or another have admitted that there are some things about it that you can't explain, for some group or religion or peoples to have it right? Why in the world is that not possible since it has happened in the past with God dealing with humans?
Trying to explain the Person of God 🙂 We R 2 believe that the JW's have it all correct. There is no analogy to explain God in His fullness. I don't think the trinity is a mystery. It's revealed in the bible. Just because we can't explain it does not negate it. God the father. The Eternal Son. The spirit of God. I don't have an explanation how the son can ...[text shortened]... a because pagan religions believed this. This is also revealed in scripture.
Manny
It just makes me scratch my head in wonderment that most can't accept that as possiblility...Read the Bible, use some common sence and just think a little to that possibility.
The reason you and the others need to do this, is because it's for real.
03 Sep 09
Originally posted by duecerwhat shall you do Deucer, the illustrious Jaywill has fallen, Manny is babbling on in a state of delirium, your house is divided and abandoned? The trinity is lying in tatters strewn across cyber space like the remnants of a distant star, which has imploded in on itself and now creates a vacuous region! checkmate now seems imminent! shall we offer you terms?
too late I already claimed victory so HA! and rightfully so, you have once again been soundly defeated by the forces of goodness and light😏
03 Sep 09
Originally posted by menace71===========================
Trying to explain the Person of God 🙂 We R 2 believe that the JW's have it all correct. There is no analogy to explain God in His fullness. I don't think the trinity is a mystery. It's revealed in the bible. Just because we can't explain it does not negate it. God the father. The Eternal Son. The spirit of God. I don't have an explanation how the son can ...[text shortened]... a because pagan religions believed this. This is also revealed in scripture.
Manny
Romans 8:26
26In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;
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Manny, your point is excellent. Now if you count the number of times in the coming weeks you have to revisit this, you'll see that repeating such a plain passage will do no good for some people.
galveston says a "Wow" I must be tired of fighting for the trinity. I repeated conclusive passages many many times. ie. 2 Cor. 3:17.
There is just no need for me to point it out to that poster more times. For that poster the Lord is NOT the Spirit when the word of God says "Now the Lord is the Spirit".
He just intends not to take what it says.
03 Sep 09
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Originally posted by galveston75merely repeating something does not make it true! if i had been offensive, then yes there would be a case, merely asking a 'christian', to explain a verse which seems absolutely contradictory to their claims does not warrant excommunication! if it was not for Deucer and i having some fun i would have left this thread alone, but now i should really thank the trinitarians for having enlightened me even further to the folly of this doctrine!
Forget the JW's for a minute and see if you possibly can answer this: Why is it not possible, sense there is real confusion with the trinity as all you guys at one time or another have admitted that there are some things about it that you can't explain, for some group or religion or peoples to have it right? Why in the world is that not possible since i that possibility.
The reason you and the others need to do this, is because it's for real.
let us try again,
at Romans chapter 8:11. who is it and what medium is used that raises Christ from the dead? it is a very simple and straightforward question, who is it.
here is the verse,
(Romans 8:11) . . .If, now, the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.
this not only answers, who the spirit is, from whence it originates and what nature it takes, but it is internal biblical testimony that the 'Lord', is God, not Christ as has been proffered up like a puppet at a punch and judy show!
03 Sep 09
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Originally posted by menace71oh Manny Manny personification does not necessarily mean personality, as you are quite aware despite your delirium, as in the case of wisdom, for example.
Manny is babbling on in a state of delirium 😉 LOL
Ok So who then is the Spirit? Romans 8:11 ? Why does He the Spirit have person-Hood?
Manny aka the delirious one.
what we really want to know is, where is the dark lord Deucer in all of this?
03 Sep 09
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieRobbie. Do you have any way to get some of the paragraphs from the "Insight on the Scriptures" book page 1019 of Vol 2 on the Holy Spirit posted here for them to read? I don't but it has some great info on this.
oh Manny Manny personification does not necessarily mean personality, as you are quite aware despite your delirium, as in the case of wisdom, for example.
what we really want to know is, where is the dark lord Deucer in all of this?
03 Sep 09
Originally posted by galveston75my friend, i posted large sections of the material on a previous thread about the holy spirit, but jaywill stated that he did not read it, making the excuse that it was cut and paste and not a discussion, like that somehow negated the value of the information???? Manny did read it and had one or two questions that were not covered, but i found the information that answered his questions, and the resilient Deucer had some comments to make that were well researched but naturally melted away like snow in spring after coming under scrutiny.
Robbie. Do you have any way to get some of the paragraphs from the "Insight on the Scriptures" book page 1019 of Vol 2 on the Holy Spirit posted here for them to read? I don't but it has some great info on this.