07 Apr 08
Originally posted by eatmybishopGive a message that cannot be missunderstood. Like rearranging the stars into words that says "god did this" or something. He can do it, he is alwighty. But he won't. He can't. Because he isn't.
what would it actually take god to do to make you accept he/she is real?
07 Apr 08
Originally posted by eatmybishopIf a miracle happened in a way that science truly could not explain and violated multiple laws of physics.
what would it actually take god to do to make you accept he/she is real?
For example, if he split the Atlantic ocean like he did the Red sea and allowed people to travel from the US to England by foot.
Of course, the question would be - whose religion was really right if any?
Even if god existed, we wouldn't know whether jesus really was the messiah or not, etc..
That kind of a miraculous kind of event would truly make me think that there is more than just natural forces at work in the world.
07 Apr 08
Originally posted by knightmeisterThen there is nothing more to discuss.
...but if he did , what would you do?
But what if the text among the stars was 'Allah was here', would every christian become muslim then? Or 'Buddha rules'? Or 'Krishna owns'?
I give him a week from now. If no non-interpretable sign among the stars until then, then it is a proof that no god is there. And I am right. I dare you, god!
07 Apr 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasThere would be a lot to discuss actually . You would know he is there but you would still have to get to know him.
Then there is nothing more to discuss.
But what if the text among the stars was 'Allah was here', would every christian become muslim then? Or 'Buddha rules'? Or 'Krishna owns'?
I give him a week from now. If no non-interpretable sign among the stars until then, then it is a proof that no god is there. And I am right. I dare you, god!
Also , don't forget that human beings can talk themselves out of anything if they want to. One might say it was a conspiracy done by NASA or a hoax . Maybe people would say that they were hallucinating or some subliminal message had been out through our TV sets.
07 Apr 08
Originally posted by knightmeisterI agree, but how would you actually get to know him? God putting forth a sign that he exists doesn't establish him as being "allah" or "jesus" or any specific god necessarily.
There would be a lot to discuss actually . You would know he is there but you would still have to get to know him.
Also , don't forget that human beings can talk themselves out of anything if they want to. One might say it was a conspiracy done by NASA or a hoax . Maybe people would say that they were hallucinating or some subliminal message had been out through our TV sets.
You're right that human beings can talk themselves into just about anything. There would always be people claiming that it was a hoax or some other event.
07 Apr 08
Originally posted by eatmybishopHave a look at http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/theistguide.html. It's a pretty good list of things that many atheists would accept as evidence for a god.
what would it actually take god to do to make you accept he/she is real?
In terms of things that God must directly do, essentially, he must announce himself in an unambiguous manner and in a way that is independently and objectively verifiable. The suggestion of re-arranging the stars would be pretty good, particularly if they could says which god he was, maybe in each of the languages of the world.
All well within his capabilities, I'm sure.
--- Penguin.
07 Apr 08
Originally posted by PenguinIf he did this you would have no choice but to believe in him , if he hides at least you get the choice. A God who made a sign in the stars would really be a soooooper daddy who might be accused of making it far too easy for us. Do you want an obvious sooooper daddy?
Have a look at http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/theistguide.html. It's a pretty good list of things that many atheists would accept as evidence for a god.
In terms of things that God must directly do, essentially, he must announce himself in an unambiguous manner and in a way that is independently and objectively verifiable. The suggestion of re-arrangi ...[text shortened]... of the languages of the world.
All well within his capabilities, I'm sure.
--- Penguin.
08 Apr 08
Originally posted by knightmeisterNo human technology can move stars and fool every astronomer. Every one can go out oat a dark night and see for themselves. I'd think it would be bulletproof.
There would be a lot to discuss actually . You would know he is there but you would still have to get to know him.
Also , don't forget that human beings can talk themselves out of anything if they want to. One might say it was a conspiracy done by NASA or a hoax . Maybe people would say that they were hallucinating or some subliminal message had been out through our TV sets.
I promise every one, that if this happens, I go baptize in the very moment. That will be the day.
08 Apr 08
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Originally posted by knightmeisterI don't particularly want a god at all, but if I have to have one, I would like a soooper daddy. Who wouldn't? Why do you want to work for your salvation? I thought that you claimed that the very uniqueness of Christianity was that you didn't have to work for it. Make up your mind already.
If he did this you would have no choice but to believe in him , if he hides at least you get the choice. A God who made a sign in the stars would really be a soooooper daddy who might be accused of making it far too easy for us. Do you want an obvious sooooper daddy?
As far as I can tell from what some Christians tell me, you included, unless I believe in God, I am going to a rather undesirable place after my death. Is that what your God wants? Why? Why is he hiding and giving me a choice when he knows perfectly well that I will make the wrong choice? (lets accept for now that it is me making the choice with my free will).
Why on earth would he want some people to not believe in him? Thats not giving us free will, thats deliberate malicious deception.
08 Apr 08
Originally posted by FabianFnaswhat? you want a medal for "believing" the obvious? people don't need faith in gravity they know gravity exists every time they take a dump and hear the splash.
No human technology can move stars and fool every astronomer. Every one can go out oat a dark night and see for themselves. I'd think it would be bulletproof.
I promise every one, that if this happens, I go baptize in the very moment. That will be the day.
the hole point of a religion is to have faith, to believe something even though you are not sure. if proof would exist of god most will accept his existence although some people will always believe what they want even in the face proof to the contrary. like creationists.