02 Apr '14 01:24>
When are you jokers are going to realize that SwissGambit is taking youall for a ride? 😀
Originally posted by KingOnPointDo you even bother to read and understand the posts of others? Or are you in such a hurry to post your "salvation by faith" dogma that you can't be bothered?
ThinkOfOne,
The start of anyone's life as a Christian is becoming a Christian. All else is a person trying to earn eternal life. If we don't start by putting faith in Christ first for eternal life, then trying to keep Christ's commandments means nothing for eternal salvation.
If you skip Christ, the Savior, don't expect God to do more than skip you ...[text shortened]... at ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Originally posted by KingOnPointSeems I have an answer to my last post:
ThinkOfOne,
Salvation by grace through faith in Christ is clearly in the bible.
Salvation by works is clearly not in the bible. Doing good is for obedience and to be like God, but it is clearly not for earning eternal life.
Believing what others say, when they mean that they can work for their eternal life, is not the focus of doing good. Doing ...[text shortened]... 5
For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
Do you even bother to read and understand the posts of others? Or are you in such a hurry to post your "salvation by faith" dogma that you can't be bothered?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneQuestion: When I was a Christian I did not subscribe to the "salvation by faith only" thing and, come to think of it, I wasn't even really aware that there was a "salvation by faith only" school of thought. Is it a relatively new idea? Has it come into prominence in the last decade or two?
Seems I have an answer to my last post:Do you even bother to read and understand the posts of others? Or are you in such a hurry to post your "salvation by faith" dogma that you can't be bothered?
Based upon this post (and others), seems quite clear that you are in such a hurry to post your "salvation by faith" dogma that you can't be bothered to read and understand the posts of others.
Originally posted by FMFMartin Luther about 500 years ago started it. To do so he had to focus on a few passages by Paul and ignore Jesus Christ, James and John. In particular he did not like James for saying that faith without works is dead, and made some very derogatory remarks about James.
Question: When I was a Christian I did not subscribe to the "salvation by faith only" thing and, come to think of it, I wasn't even really aware that there was a "salvation by faith only" school of thought. Is it a relatively new idea? Has it come into prominence in the last decade or two?
Originally posted by Rajk999The prominent proponents of this doctrine here on this Forum are...
The essential elements of the doctrine include:
- faith alone gives eternal life ie just say you accept Christ and thats their version of what faith is.
- you are not required to do any good works
- your sin is not held against you
- you cannot lose your salvation no matter what kind of life you live.
Originally posted by SwissGambit
I'm back. I heard the voice again. This time, instead of panicking, I listened intently to hear it.
What he said to me gave me some assurance that, even though this change of direction is going to take a lot of work, I can eventually get there in the end. It's kind of personal, however, so I am going to leave it to the reader to decide if they really want to read what I was told.
[hidden]SG hidden message deleted as a courtesy[/hidden]
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
SG, in taking your anecdotal reference at face value I'm immediately reminded of Clive Lewis' candid confession:
“You must picture me alone in that room in Magdalen, night after night, feeling, whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. That which I greatly feared had at last come upon me. In the Trinity Term of 1929 I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all England. I did not then see what is now the most shining and obvious thing; the Divine humility which will accept a convert even on such terms. The Prodigal Son at least walked home on his own feet. But who can duly adore that Love which will open the high gates to a prodigal who is brought in kicking, struggling, resentful, and darting his eyes in every direction for a chance of escape? The words “compelle intrare,” compel them to come in, have been so abused by wicked men that we shudder at them; but, properly understood, they plumb the depth of the Divine mercy. The hardness of God is kinder than the softness of men, and His compulsion is our liberation.” - C.S. Lewis, Surprised by Joy Thread 155320 (Page 15)
Originally posted by SwissGambit
Sigh. All these years I have built up so many good arguments against it. I fear I am going to be kicking and screaming for awhile.
Originally posted by SwissGambit
But the voice told me to change. I don't think God wants me until I do.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
SG, you already have changed your mind. Doing so is a rational not an emotional decision. Now make more sound decisions.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]Building Blocks: Good decisions one at a time living life one day at a time... avoiding operation overthink as you go.
Note: You've previously established on this forum that twenty plus years ago you believed in Christ.
Today you're a Prodigal Son coming home... rest easy in the embrace of God's Unfailing Love.
Originally posted by SwissGambit
Thanks everyone for your thoughts. I am going to think about all this for awhile.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Good night, SG. I salute your objectivity and courage. -Bob
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI promise that this is the only day of the year that I will do this sort of thing. The other 364.25 days, you'll have good ol' straight-shootin' SG, as usual. 🙂
[quote]Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
SG, in taking your anecdotal reference at face value I'm immediately reminded of Clive Lewis' candid confession:
“You must picture me alone in that room in Magdalen, night after night, feeling, whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so ea ...[text shortened]... /quote]
SwissGambit, thanks for not carrying this counterfeit Christianity charade any further.
Originally posted by SwissGambitSuperb. I am such a gullible idiot!
I'm back. I heard the voice again. This time, instead of panicking, I listened intently to hear it.
What he said to me gave me some assurance that, even though this change of direction is going to take a lot of work, I can eventually get there in the end. It's kind of personal, however, so I am going to leave it to the reader to decide if they really want to read what I was told.
Originally posted by FMFThis sort of thinking is throughout the Bible. For example, Rahab the prostitute comes to mind. Here we have a "Gentile" prostitute who placed her faith in God and provided protection for the spies sent by Joshua. For her act of faith, her sins were absolved as she was not only the only person spared in the city, but she later became part of the blood line of Christ.
The prominent proponents of this doctrine here on this Forum are...
sonship, FreakyKBH, KingOnPoint, Grampy Bobby and... who else?
Who are the regular Christian posters who dissent from this doctrine, apart from yourself? *
* I am aware that robbie carrobie refers to his supposed "works" an awful lot but have never been entirely sure whether it is just his vanity ~ as it seems to be - or a doctrinal matter.