@sonship saidBabies are born without any concept or knowledge of God or gods.
You heard it here folks. The rock outside in your back yard is an atheist.
The great default position of all people is atheism.
Atheism means - it breaths.
Atheism means - its alive.
Does the heart beat? Then its an atheist - the default existence.
Its the great default state of all things.
Babies are atheists.
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The new atheists need a new definition of atheism to render debate invalid on it
period.
They are atheists.
Babies are born without any concept or knowledge of God or gods.
They are atheists.
That is a psychological state which cannot be true or false.
Atheism is a proposition that the truth claim that there is no God or gods is a true proposition as opposed to the truth claim of theism - a God exists.
You're running from that to redefine atheism as a psychological state of which cannot of it be said it is true or false.
@sonship saidGod or gods are human constructions. Babies only become aware of these constructions when they are a little older. Until then they are void of deities. They are atheists in every sense of the word.
@Ghost-of-a-DukeBabies are born without any concept or knowledge of God or gods.
They are atheists.
That is a psychological state which cannot be true or false.
Atheism is a proposition that the truth claim that there is no God or gods is a true proposition as opposed to the truth claim of theism - a God exists.
You're running from that to redefine atheism as a psychological state of which cannot of it be said it is true or false.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Let me guess.
A baby coming into the world is also by default a Vegan, an Existentialist, a Post Modernist, a Pragmatist, a fan of Madalyn Murray O'Hair, and loyal customer of Facebook too.
@sonship saidNo, just an atheist.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Let me guess.
A baby coming into the world is also by default a Vegan, an Existentialist, a Post Modernist, a Pragmatist, a fan of Madalyn Murray O'Hair, and loyal customer of Facebook too.
@sonship saidWrong. Just an atheist. Lacking any notion of or belief in gods is the default position. The contrary requires intellectual conjuring tricks. Or, as others would call it, “ indoctrination.“
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Let me guess.
A baby coming into the world is also by default a Vegan, an Existentialist, a Post Modernist, a Pragmatist, a fan of Madalyn Murray O'Hair, and loyal customer of Facebook too.
@sonship saidSaid the indoctrinated.Atheism does not need any vindication. It is the default position. Everyone is born atheist. It's the theist position which needs arguing. You don't do it justice.- moonbus
Which is why of course moonbus is here strenuously defending atheism.
Atheism needs no argumentation, you see.
Just got a message from a nephew of one of the Last Men on Neptune -- apparently we don't become god-men thousands of years in the future or any time before then, we just continue to occur and do our things in the circumstances of our individual moments until we croak or whatever.
Sure, some of us (being inclusive of our cosmic cousins) might go post-incarnate while maintaining some kind of persistent continuity, but generally most believe that to become god-people would involve becoming more diffuse than they'd like and overly considerate to the point of doing nothing at all.
Also, this whole antique Kingship issue that some of the Earth guys latch onto is not universally shared. It's really just an Earth-guy thing. The Arcturians have no idea how kingship would be relevant to their society, etc.
@Kevin-Eleven
What you want to avoid is coming before God in the last judgement with nothing but your cleverness.
Don't rely on your cleverness or witty ability to imagine zany and novel stuff.
If that is ALL you have rather than the eternal redemption of Christ it will not be a
result you like.
I bet that if you decided to spend even five minutes each morning to read aloud half a chapter of the Gospel of Luke or John that you would find it uncannily true that so many distractions suddenly arise in your life.
As if someone doesn't want you to be saved by reading and believing Jesus is the Savior. Try to give one week each morning to read a little bit of the Gospel message. I bet you would notice your life is suddenly filled with distractions to do ANYTHING else.
@sonship saidNow I'm starting to think you might be yet another RHP troll pretending to be a Christian. 😉
@Kevin-Eleven
What you want to avoid is coming before God in the last judgement with nothing but your cleverness.
Don't rely on your cleverness or witty ability to imagine zany and novel stuff.
If that is ALL you have rather than the eternal redemption of Christ it will not be a
result you like.
I bet that if you decided to spend even five minu ...[text shortened]... message. I bet you would notice your life is suddenly filled with distractions to do ANYTHING else.
@Kevin-Eleven
I have yet to meet one channeling an extra terrestrial personage who is not also a New Age philosopher. I think you are involved in something of the occult?
@sonship saidMy God is bigger than your God. 😉
@Kevin-Eleven
I have yet to meet one channeling an extra terrestrial personage who is not also a New Age philosopher. I think you are involved in something of the occult?
@sonship saidLol.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Let me guess.
A baby coming into the world is also by default a Vegan, an Existentialist, a Post Modernist, a Pragmatist, a fan of Madalyn Murray O'Hair, and loyal customer of Facebook too.