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Originally posted by Rajk999Could you show me where we ever said we were prophets or have made prophicies? One making a statement of what they think may happen in the future is not being a prophet. If one does not have the correct understanding of a scripture a false prophet? Do you have the correct understanding of every scripture?????????
I believe everything Christ said. He said beware of false prophets. The JWs are clearly false prophets by your own admission so ...
[b]Christ said to beware of the JWs !! [/b]
Are ones who predict or guess what the stock market will do in the future a prophet?
Is a parent who says what they hope their child will do in the future a prophet?
Is the Farmers Almenac a book prophecies?
Originally posted by galveston75http://www.carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies
Could you show me where we ever said we were prophets or have made prophicies? One making a statement of what they think may happen in the future is not being a prophet. If one does not have the correct understanding of a scripture a false prophet? Do you have the correct understanding of every scripture?????????
Are ones who predict or guess what the ...[text shortened]... ey hope their child will do in the future a prophet?
Is the Farmers Almenac a book prophecies?
The Witnesses make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, to be the only true representatives of God, to have the only correct biblical teaching, and to be the only true announcers of Jehovah's coming kingdom.
If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God's word, then what they say should prove to be true, especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. Following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, "Those are taken out of context," or "They didn't claim to be the prophet of God," or "The light is getting brighter and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now," etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses' literature.
Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy, and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.
In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.
IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET" -- "So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?...This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses...Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21.)
1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
1899 "...the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time...and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?.. Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).
A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?
A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus warned us by saying, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect -- if that were possible" (Matt. 24:24).
29 Aug 10
Originally posted by galveston75Even if your group were to get a pass on the prophesy part (bizarre revision, to put it mildly), there is a long-established strict rule against naming dates... something your founder was fond of doing. Several times.
Could you show me where we ever said we were prophets or have made prophicies? One making a statement of what they think may happen in the future is not being a prophet. If one does not have the correct understanding of a scripture a false prophet? Do you have the correct understanding of every scripture?????????
Are ones who predict or guess what the ...[text shortened]... ey hope their child will do in the future a prophet?
Is the Farmers Almenac a book prophecies?
29 Aug 10
Originally posted by Rajk999Almost the same link I posted for G-75.
http://www.carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies
The Witnesses make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, to be the only true representatives of God, to have the only correct biblical teaching, and to be the only true announcers of Jehovah's coming kingdom.
...[text shortened]... hat were possible" (Matt. 24:24).
He can look at the links and verify them as to see we did not make these up.
Once again however we show you evidence and you don't bother to look at it. The WT being the prophet which of course failed horribly.
Manny
29 Aug 10
Originally posted by galveston75So,in your way of thinking, you can get Rajk999's name wrong but we gotta use your proper name(s)?
What are you talking about? Most here know my name is Steve and my screen name is Galveston75. I never started the G75 or G-man and I don't go by that.
Doesn't raj or raja mean like an Indian prince or something? Perhaps it was spelt "rajj" back in the day of the Raja in India.
Just annoys me when you keep saying the wrong name
29 Aug 10
Originally posted by FreakyKBHAnd it was because lack of understanding at that time that he did that.
Even if your group were to get a pass on the prophesy part (bizarre revision, to put it mildly), there is a long-established strict rule against naming dates... something your founder was fond of doing. Several times.
29 Aug 10
Originally posted by karoly aczelI'm not doing it on purpose. Nothing is ment by it and I'll try to do better for you. 🙂
So,in your way of thinking, you can get Rajk999's name wrong but we gotta use your proper name(s)?
Doesn't raj or raja mean like an Indian prince or something? Perhaps it was spelt "rajj" back in the day of the Raja in India.
Just annoys me when you keep saying the wrong name
29 Aug 10
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Originally posted by galveston75You cant even get a simple name right. You are not meticulous and dont have the ability to show attention to detail. Your writing and grammer are atrocious. You cant spell neither can you string a proper sentence together, and yet English is your native language. Many on this site whose native tongue is not English write far better than you do. How can you hold yourself out to be a teacher of the truth from the Bible. You cant think clearly, you cannot analyse or disucss. People have asked you many simple questions and you can respond properly. You just beat around the bush and side-step the question.
I'm not doing it on purpose. Nothing is ment by it and I'll try to do better for you. 🙂
Start doing better by responding directly to the post on false propbesies by the JWs.
In particular you say that the JWs never claim to be prophets, but the Watchtower says they are the prophets of God. Clearly you are lying through your teeth and information coming out of your mouth are full of lies and deceit.
29 Aug 10
Originally posted by Rajk999Correction to "...and you can respond properly"
You cant even get a simple name right. You are not meticulous and dont have the ability to show attention to detail. Your writing and grammer are atrocious. You cant spell neither can you string a proper sentence together, and yet English is your native language. Many on this site whose native tongue is not English write far better than you do. How can you h ...[text shortened]... e lying through your teeth and information coming out of your mouth are full of lies and deceit.
"..and you cannot respond properly."
29 Aug 10
Originally posted by Rajk999Any other personality traits you want me to change?
You cant even get a simple name right. You are not meticulous and dont have the ability to show attention to detail. Your writing and grammer are atrocious. You cant spell neither can you string a proper sentence together, and yet English is your native language. Many on this site whose native tongue is not English write far better than you do. How can you h ...[text shortened]... e lying through your teeth and information coming out of your mouth are full of lies and deceit.
29 Aug 10
Originally posted by galveston75Oh come off it Galveston75. Your whole JW organisation is built on a foundation of error; as soon as you guys stop kidding yourselves that you have the whole infallible truth and are the special ones of god, the sooner you will be taken more seriously as being sincere seekers, which is the same as the rest of the theistic world. You claim to be the chosen of god and his people to bring light to the world and yet you avoid answering my simple question in the other thread.
And it was because lack of understanding at that time that he did that.
Do you deny that Charles Russell taught that all JWs would perish in the Armageddon?
Do JWs believe this today?
Do you personally believe this?
Waits at bar with LONG drink...