The Heart

Originally posted by @romans1009
I see you’re back to your psychological projection and personal attacks. Makes me wonder why I even bother conversing with you.

Here’s a good commentary on John 5:21: https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/john-5-21.html

And it’s interesting that you neglected the verses that follow it. Here’s the passage in full ...[text shortened]... and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

(Matthew 5:21-24)

Originally posted by @thinkofone

Jesus clearly states that God has given Him authority to execute judgement on who will live and His criteria for judging: "those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment".[/b]

In case it matters - judgment is specific to salvation. Degrees of punishment and reward are something else.

edit: Just trying to help, but if it goes like normal, I made matters worse. 😞

Originally posted by @eladar
Suzy really must love me!

Originally posted by @thinkofone
I didn't "neglect" it. I only included what was necessary to show that Jesus will judge who will live which was in direct response to your request.

And then Jesus fully explains what He'd been saying:

John 5
25“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will liv ...[text shortened]... ds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment".

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
In case it matters - judgment is specific to salvation. Degrees of punishment and reward are something else.

edit: Just trying to help, but if it goes like normal, I made matters worse. 😞

Originally posted by @romans1009
You understand actions and deeds are a consequence of one’s heart? You remember the two different trees and the different fruit each produces? You remember Jesus saying that actions proceed from the heart and that the Lord looks on the heart?

I know. And I'm saying that it seems presumptuous for any of them think that they are in a position to judge themselves as being saved.

Especially with Jesus saying that He will judge. Evidently you believe that individuals are able to judge themselves as well as Jesus is able.

Plus I've come across quite a few - both Christian and non-Christian alike - whose self-image does not line up with reality.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Do you believe there will be 'degrees of judgment?

'That servant who knows his master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.'

(Luke 12:47-48)

Originally posted by @thinkofone
You continue to evade the issue:
[quote]I know. And I'm saying that it seems presumptuous for any of them think that they are in a position to judge themselves as being saved.

Especially with Jesus saying that He will judge. Evidently you believe that individuals are able to judge themselves as well as Jesus is able.

Plus I've come across quite ...[text shortened]... judge themselves as being saved given that Jesus said that He will judge. Or admit that it is.**

Originally posted by @romans1009
Not sure I agree as neither the Judgment Seat of Christ for believers nor the Great White Throne Judgment for unbelievers has to do with salvation.

Originally posted by @romans1009
We’ve moved past that, and I’ve answered your questions.

Do you plan to answer any of mine or shall we add them to the literally dozens of questions you refuse to answer because you lack the courage and integrity to not only stand up for what you believe but to even state what you believe?

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Is this a tangent or do you think it relevant to the issue at hand? If the latter, what?

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
A relevant tangent. You posted, "those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment."

I was simply asking if you thought the resurrection of judgment had gradients. (And as an aside, why an all-loving deity would raise the dead merely to punish them. Why not just let them be? ).

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
A relevant tangent. You posted, "those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment."

I was simply asking if you thought the resurrection of judgment had gradients. (And as an aside, why an all-loving deity would raise the dead merely to punish them. Why not just let them be? ).

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Actually you've talked around the issue. If you don't want to directly address the issue, then just say so. That would be a lot better than falsely claiming that you have.

**Show how it is not presumptuous for anyone to think that they are in a position to judge themselves as being saved given that Jesus said that He will judge. Or admit that it is.**