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09 Apr 11
Originally posted by twhiteheadReminds me of "Pulp Fiction"
Why? Why should we all waste our time and effort on useless inefficiency when it could be better spent feeding those hungry people? My biggest complaint about the capitalist system is that encourages trading and 'the middle man' All the top minds are employed by wall street, not in any productive trade but acting as middle men between the investor and the ...[text shortened]... to live off others.
Edit: (OK that last sentence was just a bit of trolling). 🙂
Samuel.L .Jackson sees things differently from John Travolta.
"Walking the Earth"for Jackson (as Jesus did), is akin to being a bum in Travoltas world.
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09 Apr 11
Originally posted by rwingettWe are to live in the world, but not to be of the world.
It sounds as though you have let the money changers into your temple, divegeester. It is time to drive them out, for no one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.
We are to render unto Caesar that which is Ceasar's and unto God, that which is God's.
The alternative to socialism is not Godlessness
Christianity is the ultimate trade agreement - your life for a new one and it's FOC.
Now THAT's what I call socialism
10 Apr 11
Originally posted by divegeesterYou misinterpret all of these things. The Hutterites live in this world. They are building their vision of the kingdom in this world*. The kingdom is all around you, but you do not see it. To "not be of the world" doesn't mean to aspire toward some nebulous, otherworldly realm. It means to live apart from the mainstream world of greed, exploitation and dominance. You are not to be of that world.
We are to live in the world, but not to be of the world.
We are to render unto Caesar that which is Ceasar's and unto God, that which is God's.
The alternative to socialism is not Godlessness
Christianity is the ultimate trade agreement - your life for a new one and it's FOC.
Now THAT's what I call socialism
The part about Caeser is the same thing. The Hutterites obey the laws of the US and Canada in which they reside. But they separate their communities from mainstream society as much as possible, and in the pursuance thereof render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto god that which is god's.
The pursuance of greed, exploitation and dominance is contrary to godliness.
Your claim that my interpretation is naive or unworkable is belied by the facts. There are some 50,000 Hutterites living in the western US and Canada. It is a workable reality now. A world with an open community of goods, free from poverty, exploitation and violence, is available to you now, but you choose not to see it.
*The Hutterites believe in a realized eschatology (or sapiential eschatology) as opposed to an apocalyptic eschatology. According to John Dominic Crossan: Apocalyptic eschatology is world-negation stressing imminent divine intervention: we wait for God to act; sapiential eschatology is world-negation emphasizing immediate divine imitation: God waits for us to act.
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10 Apr 11
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Originally posted by rwingettDrop the intellectual muscle flexing, and then we can communicate.
The Hutterites live in this world. They are building their vision of the kingdom in this world*. The kingdom is all around you, but you do not see it. To "not be of the world" doesn't mean to aspire toward some nebulous, otherworldly realm. It means to live apart from the mainstream world of greed, exploitation and domi logy is world-negation emphasizing immediate divine imitation: God waits for us to act.[/i]
10 Apr 11
Originally posted by josephwYes. An apocalyptic eschatology involves Christians sitting on their arse while they wait for Jesus to come back at the 'end times' and fix everything for them. A realized eschatology involves Christians getting off their arse and using the inspiration of Jesus to fix things themselves in the here and now. In the former, Christians are waiting for Jesus to act. In the latter, Jesus is waiting for you to act. You're going to have to do the heavy lifting yourself. Build it, josephw, and He will come.
Eschatology?
Are you talking about the end of the world?
10 Apr 11
Originally posted by rwingettWhat are you talking about?
Yes. An apocalyptic eschatology involves Christians sitting on their arse while they wait for Jesus to come back at the 'end times' and fix everything for them. A realized eschatology involves Christians getting off their arse and using the inspiration of Jesus to fix things themselves in the here and now. In the former, Christians are waiting for Jesus to ...[text shortened]... . You're going to have to do the heavy lifting yourself. Build it, josephw, and He will come.
The inspiration of Jesus to fix things? Like what?