Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeActually can I get back to you on this. It has been the traditional view point that it was industrialisation what done it. People moving from countryside to city and the connection between church and laity was lost in the urban sprawl. You find clergy and sociologists going into the slums of London and Glasgow to record data like they were going into the Amazon to collect specimens. Also data does not always tell us everything and can be deceptive and open to interpretation. What we can say with some certainty is that there was a huge cultural shift in the early sixties which has not abated to this day. For example in the 1950's 2 million people went to see the American preacher Billy Graham in England, 1.2 million in Scotland. Less than a decade later statistics show that people were much less religiously inclined as represented by baptisms, church weddings etc. I have my own theory but the book I am reading explores the idea that it was the liberation of women which essentially did it. They were previously the backbone of the church and when the sixties came and with it alternative perspectives and they looked to other sources for guidance and this rearranged the fabric of society.
Would you agree this is due to the evolving intellect of UK citizens?
I don't think intellect has anything to do with it. Trollers gonna troll, haters gonna hate and Essex girls are gonna be Essex girls! 😵
15 Mar 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut not due to a world food shortage.
and yet the rhetoric form the UN is that we are facing a huge humanitarian crisis of some 20 million persons.
In Yemen for example there is a proxy war going on between Saudi Arabia and its backers and Iran and its backers. Its a political man made crisis. Are you blaming the US and the EU for this?
No. What gave you that idea?
15 Mar 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieMy sister is an Essex girl.
Actually can I get back to you on this. It has been the traditional view point that it was industrialisation what done it. People moving from countryside to city and the connection between church and laity was lost in the urban sprawl. You find clergy and sociologists going into the slums of London and Glasgow to record data like they were going i ...[text shortened]... o with it. Trollers gonna troll, haters gonna hate and Essex girls are gonna be Essex girls! 😵
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15 Mar 17
Originally posted by KellyJayYou are being diseingenous. do I really have to dig up your old posts?
I just looked up the rate of how many die a year and multi that by 50, so its 7,750,000.
So with nothing really bad happening that is the norm.
If something like a world war, or something else, it could get worse.
Again, you and I are not promised tomorrow.
I hope you have your life in order.
Of course I know the difference between losing a lot of people (in a short time) or the normal losses that would occur anyway.
Anyway your maths may be wrong. By 2050 we should have an extra 2 billion people (if current trends continue)
We may not have a tomorrow... because there is no tomorrow 😀
But I hear you .
So there are 2 distinct points here. Ok.
Lastly I'm not worried about myself. I've done my 'soul' searching, my reflections on life.... and death.
Death would be a welcome relief compared to trying to keep going on this nasty little planet. This (forum) is relatively tame compared the costant bombardment of negativity that this world offers up day after day
Originally posted by robbie carrobiePerhaps you can just embrace "data" that reinforces your opinions - or interpret it as doing so - and then dismiss or condemn "data" that is inconvenient to you?
Also data does not always tell us everything and can be deceptive and open to interpretation.
15 Mar 17
Originally posted by karoly aczelCheer up you live on the Gold Coast!!!!!
We may not have a tomorrow... because there is no tomorrow 😀
Death would be a welcome relief compared to trying to keep going on this nasty little planet. This (forum) is relatively tame compared the costant bombardment of negativity that this world offers up day after day