The Free Gift

@rajk999 said
No it is a gift if the value of what is received far exceeds the value of what was given. Eg if you by $200 in groceries and that entitled you to receive a $50,000 car, then that is not a trade.

@divegeester said
Then this is the more interesting topic.

- Is your Christianity based only on the words attributed to Jesus?

- why not the rest of the NT? And how do you know that the gospels upon which you base your beliefs about the “words of Jesus” are reliable?

- if so then it is no surprise that you disagree on doctrine with those who take the entire Bible to be the word of god and surely you would be better off addressing this differential of thought

@divegeester said
So you think you can dollarize this “gift”?

@rajk999 said
The point is simple, and you choose to deliberately miss it.

@rajk999 said
What you get in return for meeting the qualifying conditions for eternal life, far exceeds what you have to do.

@rajk999 said

It was never referred to as a free gift.

@divegeester said
Then this is the more interesting topic.

- Is your Christianity based only on the words attributed to Jesus?

- why not the rest of the NT? And how do you know that the gospels upon which you base your beliefs about the “words of Jesus” are reliable?

- if so then it is no surprise that you disagree on doctrine with those who take the entire Bible to be the word of god and surely you would be better off addressing this differential of thought

Two fundamental flaws:

1) definition of “gift”

2) definition of “word of god” as related to the written words of Jesus in the gospels, the written word of god in the OT and the written word of the apostles in the NT

@rajk999 said
I addressed that many times. It is boring to have to say it over and over.

Here it is Jesus is the way, the truth and the life
For many Christians, Paul is the way, the truth and the life.

The bible does not give eternal life, neither does Paul. Jesus does
The bible is not the way, neither is Paul, the teachings of Jesus Christ is the way.

@rajk999 said
We only interested in one thing and that is what the bible says, so forget about what you say or I say. So here it is again :

The expression 'free gift' appears 3 times in Romans 5 and never again in the bible. It is used only with regard to justification by the death of Christ. Paul said this free gift of justification came upon all people. All people in the ...[text shortened]... hat is a separate matter from the justification that came upon all men through the death of Christ.

@pb1022 said
And your explanation for these verses is?

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

(John 3:16)

“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” ...[text shortened]... commandment keeping mentioned in those verses? I could give you a lot more verses if you want them.

@rajk999 said
Well there you found the loophole... you are a smart guy. I suggest on judgment day you go along with those verses in your hand and when Jesus says ... Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: nak ...[text shortened]... ndment keeping mentioned in those verses? I could give you a lot more verses if you want them...

@kellyjay said
Yes, Jesus is the way, the way into the Kingdom of God.

@rajk999 said
Of course. Apparently you think Paul is the way.