Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeOh geez, man, this is easily fixed by simply knowing the general belief that Christians have on the worth of works by themselves, the philosophy of the Jewish law, etc..
'...there is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.' (Psalm 14:1)
If an atheist does one genuine good deed (say an altruistic act to save someone's life), has The Bible been disproven? - Yes, the theist could question what qualifies as a good deed, but please keep in mind Galatians 5:14:
'For the entire LAW is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Ecclesiastes 7:20: "There is no man on the earth who does good and never sins."
There is also the belief that any work we do can be shifted towards self-beneficial and self-aggrandizing.
You have to get down into the nuts & bolts and just have some familiarity with the Bible before you try to contextualize this passage or you run the risk of it just not matching.
Originally posted by @philokaliaWhen your god figure sits in judgment, is he incapable of being wise to this? I thought he could supposedly see into every person's heart
There is also the belief that any work we do can be shifted towards self-beneficial and self-aggrandizing.
Originally posted by @romans1009The question regards something the poster I was replying to wrote.
Just curious...
How did you conclude or suspect that He wouldn’t be wise to that?
Originally posted by @fmfOh of course, but this is all the more reason for men to not esteem one another's works, or to esteem their own works at all.
When your god figure sits in judgment, is he incapable of being wise to this? I thought he could supposedly see into every person's heart
Rather, you need to strip yourself completely of ego and know that you cannot do good and be sinless. That is the focus within Christendom, IMO.
Even still you find yourself with runaway thoughts of being recognized for your commitments and piety. Imagine that: trying to be recognized for being humble. Yet, it is a common thought int he heart of man, and thus we should not think of oruselves at all as being capable of working good.
And by good I mean pure good; good for goodness's sake. Of course, it can happen, in unanticipated and good moments, and man is not entirely vile or corrupt or any nonsense like that... But, before God, in the sense that we stand before him as his infinite inferior, we are truly incapable fo any good.
Humility si what benefits a man.
14 Feb 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaThe question remains, is your god figure, sitting in judgment, capable of seeing these things in people's hearts and judging them ~ or not?
Oh of course, but this is all the more reason for men to not esteem one another's works, or to esteem their own works at all.
Rather, you need to strip yourself completely of ego and know that you cannot do good and be sinless. That is the focus within Christendom, IMO.
Even still you find yourself with runaway thoughts of being [i]recognized for ...[text shortened]... his infinite inferior, we are truly incapable fo any good.
Humility si what benefits a man.
14 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfYes.
The question remains, is your god figure, sitting in judgment, capable of seeing these things in people's hearts and judging them ~ or not?
Do go on. I am on the EDGE of my SEAT.
14 Feb 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaSo, people shifting their 'good works' towards self-beneficial and self-aggrandizing motivations in what is arguably an un-Christian manner are not going to fool your god figure.
Yes.
Do go on. I am on the EDGE of my SEAT.
14 Feb 18
Originally posted by @freakykbhBuild channels , consider my OP's of late as a starter
I'm not opposed; lend away!
14 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Are you trying to peg me? "Psssssss"
Are you the singer on the YouTube video that bears your name?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerMy point exactly. Have you not been able to discern what this exchange of posts is about?
As an ex-Christian you should know that God looks at the motives of the heart.
14 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Naturally
Whoops. That post of yours I quoted was addressed to someone else. When I saw “big brain,” I naturally thought it was addressed to me
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Originally posted by @rajk999Does the cherry, "The righteous shall live by faith" taste sour to you?
The one cherry you picked comes well recommended from all in the Bible from the Law of Moses to David, Solomon, the Prophets, Christ, and the Apostles. Indeed the bible closes with that very sentiment
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14 KJV)
It is the essense of the teachings of all in the Bible.
14 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfYou didn't account for the possibility that all works, especially when contemplated in the context of salvation, appear self-serving.
So, people shifting their 'good works' towards self-beneficial and self-aggrandizing motivations in what is arguably an un-Christian manner are not going to fool your god figure.
The prerequisite for a work to be good is to be completely detached and personless before the work.
Thus, a full acknowledgement that you are a total sinner, and that any work rendered in any context other than emptiness is insufficient...
And can such a state be eternally sustained? Of couese not.
Thus: no man does good works and never sins as in Ecclesiastes.