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In the Captial Punishment thread Suzianne says:
”I eschew the opinion that people are only drawn to God if God "wills it". This this self-serving mush.”
And yet Jesus himself directly and unequivocally states:
“No one comes to me unless the father who sent me draws them...”
John 6:44
Suzianne has been since been avoiding my challenge to her on this so I’ll post it here; is Suzianne justified in her claim that it is “self-serving mush”?
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Originally posted by @divegeesterShould we start a thread on you falsely claiming “washed in the blood” did not appear in Scripture? You still haven’t admitted you were wrong - even after you accused a Christian of being too vain to admit he was wrong when he was actually right.
In the Captial Punishment thread Suzianne says:
[b]”I eschew the opinion that people are only drawn to God if God "wills it". This this self-serving mush.”
And yet Jesus himself directly and unequivocally states:
“No one comes to me unless the father who sent me draws them...”
John 6:44
Suzianne has been since been avoiding my ...[text shortened]... on this so I’ll post it here; is Suzianne justified in her claim that it is “self-serving mush”?[/b]
Oh, tiger. Your hijinks with Kiddo are becoming less and less amusing.
Originally posted by @divegeesterI believe that RBHILL and josephw - and also checkbaiter, if I am not mistaken - espoused the view that "people are only drawn to God if God wills it". It may have also been something that Grampy Bobby believed and talked about.
”I eschew the opinion that people are only drawn to God if God "wills it". This this self-serving mush.”
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Originally posted by @fmfRomans 3:11 supports the statement by Jesus:
I believe that RBHILL and josephw - and also checkbaiter, if I am not mistaken - espoused the view that "people are only drawn to God if God wills it". It may have also been something that Grampy Bobby believed and talked about.
“there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God”
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God draws everyone. Just read the verse right after John 6:44.
“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
(John 6:44-47)
But just because God draws everyone doesn’t mean everyone believes unto salvation.
Originally posted by @divegeesterTwo can play at this game, genius. It might behoove you to answer my questions this time, since your continued refusal might seem hypocritical after making such a big deal of it here and now.
In the Captial Punishment thread Suzianne says:
[b]”I eschew the opinion that people are only drawn to God if God "wills it". This this self-serving mush.”
And yet Jesus himself directly and unequivocally states:
“No one comes to me unless the father who sent me draws them...”
John 6:44
Suzianne has been since been avoiding my ...[text shortened]... on this so I’ll post it here; is Suzianne justified in her claim that it is “self-serving mush”?[/b]
Since you have been avoiding my question to you, I'll take your example and post it here again for you to dodge a fourth (fifth? sixth?) time.
"And how much of the scripture do you disagree with?
Be honest."
In addition, let me ask you the question I was responding to:
"Do you think one can only come to the knowledge of Christ and accept Him if God draws him or her?"
Go ahead. Anytime you're ready.
Originally posted by @fmfArgumentum ad populum?
I believe that RBHILL and josephw - and also checkbaiter, if I am not mistaken - espoused the view that "people are only drawn to God if God wills it". It may have also been something that Grampy Bobby believed and talked about.
Seriously, I expected better.
Originally posted by @suzianneNo. You have missed my point completely. How many times did you dismiss the beliefs [on this matter] of the likes of RBHILL, josephw, checkbaiter, and Grampy Bobby as “self-serving mush”? It's got nothing whatsoever to do with argumentum ad populum.
Argumentum ad populum?
Seriously, I expected better.