Originally posted by RBHILL
HIV=Aids

How can standing in front of a train cure somebody of AIDS? Or was it a miracle?

Originally posted by no1marauder
Do you ever think for yourself? Obviously not. So mass child murder is not an impediment to Heaven in your view. Thanks for sharing.

Again a strawman 😲 .... or simply an incorrect conclusion ... oh well.

Originally posted by no1marauder
It's going off on a tangent; I am more interested in the fate of the jumpers than the ones who didn't jump. If one of our "Christian" friends wants to argue that the jumpers are eternally damned, then your point concerning the ones who didn't would be relevant but it is not now since no one has said even the jumpers would be eternally damned.

Whether they jump or stay is not the defining factor of Heaven or Hell.It is with those who flew the planes?????Mabey.

Originally posted by no1marauder
I was watching this show concerning the September 11th attacks and it brought up an interesting ethical question. I know that most mainstream Christians believe that those who commit suicide are automatically damned. In the aftermath of the planes crashing into the WTC, some people went out to the ledges of the buildings. As the fires approached them, th ...[text shortened]... e than the 88th floor, they knew it was suicide.

My question: are they eternally damned?

Answer: No.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
How can standing in front of a train cure somebody of AIDS? Or was it a miracle?

When she is in heaven she could tell God I guess to get rid of it.

🙄

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
OK, I'll come back when the Catholics start to post.

Too bad. The discussion between two persons who usually reason in a very legalistic and formal way can be quite amusing .... the exchange of thoughts you were having with the marauder was hilarious.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Answer: No.

From the Catholic Chatechism, section 1035:

The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."


From an article on Catholic Answers:
"If there was such a thing as mortal sin—as I know today that there is—I knew suicide would be a mortal sin."

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9705convsb.asp


Additionally, "Therefore, objectively, suicide is a mortal sin."
http://www.catholicherald.com/saunders/03ws/ws030605.htm

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Answer: No.

Why? Isn't suicide a mortal sin?

Originally posted by no1marauder
Why? Isn't suicide a mortal sin?

It is, even objectively.
http://www.catholicherald.com/saunders/03ws/ws030605.htm

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Again a strawman 😲 .... or simply an incorrect conclusion ... oh well.

It is neither as it pertains to the RBHILL's views; he truly believes it.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Why? Isn't suicide a mortal sin?

Of course it is ..... as a general rule.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Of course it is ..... as a general rule.

What exceptions exist to this rule?

Originally posted by RBHILL
When she is in heaven she could tell God I guess to get rid of it.

🙄

Oh yeah, I never thought of that. So, it worked?

Originally posted by no1marauder
It is neither as it pertains to the RBHILL's views; he truly believes it.

Then it is a strawman on your part ..... or a misconception .... oh well.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Of course it is ..... as a general rule.

And do you agree with the Catechism that "those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell?"