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Moving on from the "eternal suffering" topic, I would like to explore the beliefs here on whether or not Christians who commit suicide go to heaven or hell.
This is possibly a less obviously controversial topic but I do invite those with a POV to state it and the reasons why.
Just because we/you/they argue over it, does not necessarily mean that there is not love and compassion in those who do. We should contend for truth and contending is frequently contentious.
Best.
30 Jul 14
Originally posted by divegeesterNo sin can outdo what has been done.
Moving on from the "eternal suffering" topic, I would like to explore the beliefs here on whether or not Christians who commit suicide go to heaven or hell.
This is possibly a less obviously controversial topic but I do invite those with a POV to state it and the reasons why.
Just because we/you/they argue over it, does not mean necessarily mean t ...[text shortened]... in those who do. We should contend for truth and contending is frequently contentious.
Best.
When the Christ worked on the Cross, He worked to balance the scale of all sin.
When the Christ died, He died having completing the work.
God is not surprised by sin.
Nothing can be added to the balance of sin, no matter how much man trespasses from that point forward, until man can act no more.
All done, all paid.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHFrom my POV I would say well put.
No sin can outdo what has been done.
When the Christ worked on the Cross, He worked to balance the scale of all sin.
When the Christ died, He died having completing the work.
God is not surprised by sin.
Nothing can be added to the balance of sin, no matter how much man trespasses from that point forward, until man can act no more.
All done, all paid.
My motivations in these threads and exchanges is to contend for the visibility of the breadth, depth and longevity of the mercy of God.
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Originally posted by divegeesterThen you may find confirmation of this at:
From my POV I would say well put.
My motivations in these threads and exchanges is to contend for the visibility of the breadth, depth and longevity of the mercy of God.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14326b.htm
Where suicide is generally considered a grave violation of duty to God, but:
"God being the master of our life He may with His own consent remove from suicide whatever constitutes its disorder."
and
"Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide."
30 Jul 14
Originally posted by FreakyKBHHere we go again. .. the licence to sin principle.
No sin can outdo what has been done.
When the Christ worked on the Cross, He worked to balance the scale of all sin.
When the Christ died, He died having completing the work.
God is not surprised by sin.
Nothing can be added to the balance of sin, no matter how much man trespasses from that point forward, until man can act no more.
All done, all paid.
Very nice.
Originally posted by JS357Nope. The 'here we go again' means here we go again Christians claiming the right to sin without consequence while the rest of the world cannot do that.
It is only "Here we go again" if people can't ignore it.
Suicide apparently is therefore a dire sin except for Christians.
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Originally posted by Rajk999Dive is conducting a poll, of sorts. I reported one (RCC) view. A mere collection of the already-voiced views is not a 'here we go again' moment except for the easily seduced. We needn't have our guns on the table for every deal.
Nope. The 'here we go again' means here we go again Christians claiming the right to sin without consequence while the rest of the world cannot do that.
Suicide apparently is therefore a dire sin except for Christians.
31 Jul 14
Originally posted by JS357Apparently you missed the Christian who posted the "getaway with sin free" doctrine and Divegeester wholeheartedly agreed. So everyone else pays for their sin of suicide except them.
Dive is conducting a poll, of sorts. I reported one (RCC) view. A mere collection of the already-voiced views is not a 'here we go again' moment except for the easily seduced. We needn't have our guns on the table for every deal.
31 Jul 14
Originally posted by divegeesterFor a view from an agnostic. I'd have thought it depended on the reason for the suicide. Guy Fawkes was drawn and quartered, but he jumped from the scaffold with the noose about his neck and so broke his own neck which prevented him from being overly inconvenienced by the forthcoming procedure. This is technically a suicide, but under the circumstances I don't doubt anyone would regard it as a sin. I think the sin is to give up all hope. If the hope one has surrendered is only for one's own condition in this world, but not for everyone else and not for the next then it can hardly be called a sin.
Moving on from the "eternal suffering" topic, I would like to explore the beliefs here on whether or not Christians who commit suicide go to heaven or hell.
This is possibly a less obviously controversial topic but I do invite those with a POV to state it and the reasons why.
Just because we/you/they argue over it, does not necessarily mean that t ...[text shortened]... in those who do. We should contend for truth and contending is frequently contentious.
Best.
31 Jul 14
Originally posted by DeepThoughtI think Christians who speak of suicide as if it is a grave sin really do not know the Bible. I would be very surprised if there is any clear statement about it. Those CHristians would be equally surprised if they knew that there is a case of God assisted suicide and it was not a sin.
For a view from an agnostic. I'd have thought it depended on the reason for the suicide. Guy Fawkes was drawn and quartered, but he jumped from the scaffold with the noose about his neck and so broke his own neck which prevented him from being overly inconvenienced by the forthcoming procedure. This is technically a suicide, but under the circumstance ...[text shortened]... n this world, but not for everyone else and not for the next then it can hardly be called a sin.
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Originally posted by Rajk999I don't think suicide being a sin is actually in the bible at all and yet I believe it is considered a mortal sin (I.e. One where you go to hell) in the catholic and possibly other creeds. I'd be interested to here from anyone here who knows first hand?
I think Christians who speak of suicide as if it is a grave sin really do not know the Bible. I would be very surprised if there is any clear statement about it. Those CHristians would be equally surprised if they knew that there is a case of God assisted suicide and it was not a sin.
Originally posted by divegeesterFreaky posted his Christian 'getaway with sin' doctrine:
If you are going to make claims like this about me you need to provide the evidence or apologise.
No sin can outdo what has been done.
When the Christ worked on the Cross, He worked to balance the scale of all sin.
When the Christ died, He died having completing the work.
God is not surprised by sin.
Nothing can be added to the balance of sin, no matter how much man trespasses from that point forward, until man can act no more.
All done, all paid.
And you agreed:
[i]From my POV I would say well put.[i]
What did I say that is wrong?
Originally posted by divegeesterIts one example of many where people place their own concocted doctrines above those of God and Christ.
I don't think suicide being a sin is actually in the bible at all and yet I believe it is considered a mortal sin (I.e. One where you go to hell) in the catholic and possibly other creeds. I'd be interested to here from anyone here who knows first hand?