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Originally posted by @fmfSo YOU don't know and Christians who come with the teaching of Jesus are sincerely deluded.
My point of view is that you are not a liar when it comes to your beliefs.
Could be.
Then again maybe that's just the thoughts of man who has been in the dark so long that he's afraid of the light.
Ie. "Nobody else could know what I don't know. And I don't know God."
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Originally posted by @fmfGood advice. I do.
Choose Jesus then, sonship. I have never asked me to choose me.
And He said "Go into all the world and preach the gospel ...".
Guess what I do?
09 Jul 18
Originally posted by @sonshipI don't think anything you say qualifies as "light" ~ I wish it did ~ and none of your 'non-believers hung out burning on chains' and aliens from other planets deterred stuff makes me "afraid".
Then again maybe that's just the thoughts of man who has been in the dark so long that he's afraid of the light.
09 Jul 18
Originally posted by @sonshipThe feeling is mutual, sonship. I have been imploring you for years to talk about "the most important issues of human life" but you just talk about supernatural things.
You don't impress me as a man with a clearer mind on the nature of the most important issues of human life, its origin, it destinies then the writers of the New Testament.
09 Jul 18
Originally posted by @sonshipExactly. And that's why I can see the complete and utter heart of darkness at the very core on your superstitious beliefs. I wonder where you get your moral compass from.
I am not an atheist, if that's what you're getting at.
I don't have the same unbeliefs as you do.
If that is what you're getting at.
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Originally posted by @fmfI don't wonder where you get yours from.
Exactly. And that's why I can see the complete and utter heart of darkness at the very core on your superstitious beliefs. I wonder where you get your moral compass from.
Originally posted by @sonshipIt sums you up. And it was a pretty narcissistic thing for you to say, as you will know. On-topic then.
It sums up the New Testament.
I believe you have pretty much the same moral compass as me and have got it from pretty much the same sources.
The Bible has been part of the environments from which both of us have been socialized as moral agents.
That's nurture. And we have whatever influence from nature too.
Your stuff about torture and chains and wrath and vengeance and people on other planets and burning people and hoping the world ends sooner or later ~ despite the billions of humans that would be destroyed ~ is, I think, a kind of psychological burden you've saddled yourself with.
But I believe, if push were to come to shove, you'd instinctively ditch all that ghastly superstitious stuff, and be guided by more or less the same simple trusty moral principles that I have been guided by, both as a Christian and as a non-Christian.
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Originally posted by @fmf
The Bible has been part of the environments from which both of us have been socialized as moral agents.
So has mathematics something related to our culture and socialization. And 2 + 2 still equals 4.
That something is related to socialization or environment doesn't necessarily mean that truth is not conveyed.
Let me know when you have something better than Jesus Christ and His life and teaching. He certainly has touched many cultures and societies over long tested centuries.
Besides, the most influential ministries on my Christian life came out of mainland China in the 20th century. - Atypical for Western civilization.