01 May 11
Originally posted by menace71I will my dear friend.
Please explain don't leave us in suspense!!!
Manny
Satan cannot harm God in any way even if he could get to him. So the obvious and only thing he can do is use one of his many wicked talents and that is to slander God. The Bible is clear on that point.
Slander can be an out right lie about someone else or do the little white lie thing. Many shades of slander.
The Bible says Satan is the ruler of this world. As the ruler of this world and the universes greatest lier he can use that in anyway he choises. Since this world is under his control as Jesus himself said when Satan tried to tempt him, he can have as much influance on religion as he wants even "turning himself into an angel of light."
And what better way then to even slightly confuse religions with even the slightest pagan beliefs. They may seem small and inocent and no big deal as many have answered on this forum before. " God will excuse it and over look it. It is no big deal." But as the Bible says that Light and Darkness have nothing in common just as Truth and Lies have nothing in common.
Satan rules this world at this tme and has been spreading lies about God for centuries. Make sure what you and your church believes only truths and has no influance from Satan's lies.
02 May 11
Originally posted by galveston75You seem to understand Satan better than you understand God.
I will my dear friend.
Satan cannot harm God in any way even if he could get to him. So the obvious and only thing he can do is use one of his many wicked talents and that is to slander God. The Bible is clear on that point.
Slander can be an out right lie about someone else or do the little white lie thing. Many shades of slander.
The Bible says ...[text shortened]... sure what you and your church believes only truths and has no influance from Satan's lies.
02 May 11
Originally posted by RJHindsYou have a right to your opinion and that's fine and it's your beliefs in my eyes that divide us. So we're even...
I am sure we agree on many more things than you think we do.
The main thing that is dividing us is some of the teachings of the
JW organization. You think they are God's voice on earth, but I
do not.
And why is it so unbelieveable that God would not have a people on the earth today that he speaks thru? It's something he's done during most of our existance here on the earth. He's never spoke to mankind as a whole but in reality most of the people he's dealt with or protected were small in relation to the populalation of the world.
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02 May 11
Originally posted by galveston75I know I risk sounding pedantic, but what a dictionary calls the celestial being who was Gods chief angel is not in anyway valid and I think the fact your OP states the Devil/Satan is "given this name" of slanderer implies that it is Biblically scriptural. I therefore struggle to see what point you were making in the OP to be honest, and in defence on Manny and myself, that's why we may have drawn a false conclusion. As soon as I read it I thought it was incorrect, in actual fact we are advised "not to slander the celestial beings" Galv.
As for as I'm aware the word slenderer and the titile Devil are not in the same sentence in any scriptures but one of the descriptions of the word Devil is easliy found in any dictionary.
The Greek di‧a′bo‧los means “slanderer.”
http://www.antipas.org/books/devil/evil1_c.html
http://www.20000-names.com/evil_names.htm
02 May 11
Originally posted by divegeesterI gave plenty of referances as to the title Devil and what it means. Take it as you will.
I know I risk sounding pedantic, but what a dictionary calls the celestial being who was Gods chief angel is not in anyway valid and I think the fact your OP states the Devil/Satan is "given this name" of slanderer implies that it is Biblically scriptural. I therefore struggle to see what point you were making in the OP to be honest, and in defence on M ...[text shortened]... it was incorrect, in actual fact we are advised "not to slander the celestial beings" Galv.
It just seems to me your trying as most do here to try and pick at what ever you guys can instead of the main point being discussed. I wonder why?
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02 May 11
Originally posted by galveston75I'm not! I don't even know what point you were making in the OP - you were saying something about Satan and using non-biblical claims about him.
I gave plenty of referances as to the title Devil and what it means. Take it as you will.
It just seems to me your trying as most do here to try and pick at what ever you guys can instead of the main point being discussed. I wonder why?
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02 May 11
Originally posted by galveston75OK I'll be direct.
Like his not a slanderer to God?
I think you are prevaricating here; your OP never mentioned God, at all.
The Bible does not mention slander in reference to the Devil, at all.
Slander is a modern legal concept based on individuals or organisations taking issues with what is said about them and claiming it is incorrect.
I think Manny and I were justified in our opinion of what you were trying to do in you OP which was to insinuate that the challenges you and the JW organisation get at RHP come from the Devil - i.e us; by using reference to a dictionary!
That was unpleasant, uncalled and dishonest. Also you should not claim a celestial being is something they aren't.
Clearer now.
03 May 11
Originally posted by galveston75Tell us something we don't already know. Satan comes as an angel of light as in the case of religion. Religion and cults for example. WE know Satan can't hurt God he must bow down and answer to God. Great example the beginning of the Book of Job. The bible also says draw near to God and the devil will flee. I fear God more than anyone in the sense as Christ said God can destroy body and soul.
I will my dear friend.
Satan cannot harm God in any way even if he could get to him. So the obvious and only thing he can do is use one of his many wicked talents and that is to slander God. The Bible is clear on that point.
Slander can be an out right lie about someone else or do the little white lie thing. Many shades of slander.
The Bible says ...[text shortened]... sure what you and your church believes only truths and has no influance from Satan's lies.
Manny
