09 May 06
It seems there are some factions in the Catholic church that are advocating legal action to stop the showing of the movie The DaVinci Code. There is a general movement by the church to advocate a boycott of the movie, but some, including a Nigerian cardinal, are wanting Catholics to take it to court.
To me this seems rather Talibanish.
09 May 06
Originally posted by kirksey957Given what I know about the RCC I'd be surprised if this was the case. But I wouldn't call it 'talibanish' if it were true.
It seems there are some factions in the Catholic church that are advocating legal action to stop the showing of the movie The DaVinci Code. There is a general movement by the church to advocate a boycott of the movie, but some, including a Nigerian cardinal, are wanting Catholics to take it to court.
To me this seems rather Talibanish.
Wouldn't the Taliban blow up the movie or something?
09 May 06
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Originally posted by kirksey957If I were on the defense team, I'd be shaking in my boots. If the Catholics put the Pope on the stand, what jury could doubt such an infallible expert witness?
I had the impression that they were going to play the "persecution " hand. They wanted to flood the courts with lawsuits.
But I doubt they could show standing on the grounds of persecution anyway.
09 May 06
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesYeah, but the "discovery" process would be a hell of a lot of fun.
If I were on the defense team, I'd be shaking in my boots. If the Catholics put the Pope on the stand, what jury could doubt such an infallible expert witness?
But I doubt they could show standing on the grounds of persecution anyway.
09 May 06
Originally posted by kirksey957What then, about the books of Umberto Eco?
I had the impression that they were going to play the "persecution " hand. They wanted to flood the courts with lawsuits.
Do you have read "Il Nome de la Rosa" (or have seen the movie), or have read "Il Pendolo di Foucault"?
I haven't read/saw DaVinci Code.
But it seems INHO that it is (DC) pure crap compared to the work of Eco.
Of course, it is a prejuice, cos I havent read nor see the movie.
So, I may be totally wrong.
No lawsuits, as far as I know, against Eco.
But well, this is my opinion.
We have to wait and see the modern capitalist Inquisition,
-J
09 May 06
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesFrom the reports I’ve seen, i think the Cardinal was thinking in terms of some kind of action on the grounds of blasphemy (his concern seems to be that Christian beliefs have been ridiculed). I have absolutely no idea what his chances of success are though…
On what legal basis are they seeking an injunction, and in which jurisdiction?
However, I think Opus Dei have good grounds for launching a libel action in Britain given that:
a)Dan Brown frames his novel by highlighting the ‘factual’ nature of his work and points to his meticulous research, which can reasonably be said to have led others to believe that the fictional suppositions which follow in the main part of the novel were equally factual.
b)Opus Dei is both implicitly libelled through its depiction as an organisation that would willingly engage in criminal acts and explicitly libelled through Brown’s portryal (as fact) of old, unproven, allegations of fianlcial impropriaty between the organisation and the Vatican Bank.
c)The massive success and publicity of the work in addition to its apparent success in shaping public opinion around Opus Dei mean the organisation should have a simple job in proving that they have been harmed by the novel. (I think, at the very least, this point would make a similar action against Eco likely to fail).
Anyone interested can find a summery of UK libel laws at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A1183394
09 May 06
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Originally posted by NimzofishInteresting question whether Opus Dei (as a group) could sue. Non-trading corporations can sue if to protect their corporate reputation; associations (such as clubs) can't, unless they are an incorporated body. Political parties can't sue.
From the reports I’ve seen, i think the Cardinal was thinking in terms of some kind of action on the grounds of blasphemy (his concern seems to be that Christian beliefs have been ridiculed). I have absolutely no idea what his chances of success are though…
However, I think Opus Dei have good grounds for launching a libel action in Britain given that: ...[text shortened]... ested can find a summery of UK libel laws at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A1183394
Lawyers?
09 May 06
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesthis is fun already:
If I were on the defense team, I'd be shaking in my boots. If the Catholics put the Pope on the stand, what jury could doubt such an infallible expert witness?
But I doubt they could show standing on the grounds of persecution anyway.
"It is an ascertained fact," one Protestant minister wrote in 1836, "that Jesuits are prowling about all parts of the United States in every possible disguise, expressly to ascertain the advantageous situations and modes to disseminate Popery."
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0421,indiana,53767,1.html
and this is interesting:
"All that was required of a new member was a blind obedience, as imperative in the soldier as in the monk."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14493a.htm
Here's a bit more to read and enjoy:
"'Sang réal' has been traditionally interpreted as the 'holy grail' which, according to legend, Mary Magdalene carried to the Jewish kingdom of southern Gaul (including Rennes-le-Château. It may have been believed by adherents of a secret tradition that Mary Magdalene was the wife of Jesus and that what she brought was not a vessel but the royal seed of David in her womb."
- Steve Mizrach, "The Mysteries of Rennes-le-Château and the Prieure du Sion"
http://www.ordotempli.org/priory_of_sion.htm
09 May 06
Originally posted by kirksey957http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194665,00.html
It seems there are some factions in the Catholic church that are advocating legal action to stop the showing of the movie The DaVinci Code. There is a general movement by the church to advocate a boycott of the movie, but some, including a Nigerian cardinal, are wanting Catholics to take it to court.
To me this seems rather Talibanish.
09 May 06
Originally posted by HalitoseJust in the spirit of argument:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194665,00.html
"In this ambiance of pseudo-historic accuracy, Brown uses his fictional characters to call into question fundamental elements of the Christian faith: 1) the divinity of Christ 2) the validity of the four Gospels 3) the beliefs of the early Christian community."
Taken from the site you just gave.
Isn't the entire New Testament pseudo history?