@kevin-elevensaid Please DO hold your breath while you wait.
As Christians go, you strike me as a legalist -- which is to say a clever, arbitrary, transitory ego with verbal skills who prefers to engage in verbal battles it expects to win by dint of its cleverness rather than to humble and thereby exceed itself to explore the more experiential mysteries and greater contexts of Christianity.
Gosh this must be 10 threads in which you are upset with me Kevin.
@divegeestersaid You don’t have to write all this obfuscation Kellyjay.
Just feel free to duck out and avoid the OP, it’s fine.
If you are complaining about errors in text, produce the correct text.
If you complain that someone reads a correct text, produce the
correct interpretation for correcting the error. You can do neither, so
all you are doing is just blowing smoke.
Recently I’ve had many exchanges across many threads with KellyJay about this topic. But here in this OP is absolute proof that bible cannot be taken literally.
Because if one believes KellyJay’s, sonship’s and Jospehw’s version of “literal” then this is what you get…
Assertion 1)
Jesus saves the few, not the many
Evidence 1) Matt 7:14
“Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
Assertion 2)
God himself allows and even directs Satan to cause the many to turn away from God and perish.
Evidence 2) 2 Thessalonians 2:11
“Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false”
Assertion 3)
Those who don’t find the “way which leadeth unto life”, becuase they have been under this influence I.e. by default the many, the billions, are burnt alive in hell for eternity by the Jesus
Evidence 3) Revelation 14:9–11
“If anyone worships the beast . . . he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever”
… a cruel God who is a failure.
So what’s the alternative?
Well there is one. It’s an alternative where Jesus is loving, full of graciousness, kind to sinners and doesn’t torture billions of people for eternity!
BUT in order to find that alternative, one first has to acknowledge that taking the bible literally at face value doesn’t work.
@divegeestersaid Recently I’ve had many exchanges across many threads with KellyJay about this topic. But here in this OP is absolute proof that bible cannot be taken literally.
Because if one believes KellyJay’s, sonship’s and Jospehw’s version of “literal” then this is what you get…
Assertion 1)
Jesus saves the few, not the many
Evidence 1) Matt 7:14
“Because strait i ...[text shortened]... native, one first has to acknowledge that taking the bible literally at face value doesn’t work.
Where do you get your information that things are not as they should be in scripture?
Again, to show an error, you must do two things, declare the error and show why by
producing the correct way. What foundational documents do you use for error
correction of people and the Bible?
@kellyjaysaid Where do you get your information that things are not as they should be in scripture?
Again, to show an error, you must do two things, declare the error and show why by
producing the correct way. What foundational documents do you use for error
correction of people and the Bible?
Everything you need to know about my assertion in the scripturally referenced text in my OP, which I’ve re shared with you several times.
@divegeestersaid Everything you need to know about my assertion in the scripturally referenced text in my OP, which I’ve re shared with you several times.
You can either correct what you say is wrong with what is good or admit you are
only talking about your "feelings" about what is right. One is required, the other
not because it has nothing to do with the truth of the text, while the other is only
your self-importance regarding your feelings over scripture.
@kellyjaysaid You can either correct what you say is wrong with what is good or admit you are
only talking about your "feelings" about what is right. One is required, the other
not because it has nothing to do with the truth of the text, while the other is only
your self-importance regarding your feelings over scripture.
Because of ourt side of your "FEELINGS: you have nothing to prove your points.
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@divegeestersaid Recently I’ve had many exchanges across many threads with KellyJay about this topic. But here in this OP is absolute proof that bible cannot be taken literally.
Because if one believes KellyJay’s, sonship’s and Jospehw’s version of “literal” then this is what you get…
Assertion 1) Jesus saves the few, not the many
Evidence 1) Matt 7:14
[i]“Becau ...[text shortened]... to find if one first has to acknowledge that taking the bible literally at face value doesn’t work.
1) You make it sound as though man has no role in salvation - that Jesus simply picks those to save and those to reject, and man’s will and desires play no role in his salvation. God wants to save everyone - but not everyone wants to be saved.
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
(2 Peter 3:9)
2) I think this is akin to God hardening Pharaoh’s heart. God only did that after Pharaoh continued to resist and disobey Him.
3) I believe that verse from Revelation pertains to those who worship Satan, which is a far cry from not accepting Christ.
Proof you can’t take the bible literally
18 Aug '22 19:57
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