Originally posted by Suzianne
You do know where the "Golden Rule" comes from, don't you?

Common sense was around long before the bible.

Originally posted by apathist
Common sense was around long before the bible.

1.If you say your moral standard is based on common sense, then what do you do when what is “common sense” for you contradicts with what is “common sense” for someone else?

2. If what you believe is common sense contradicts what someone else considers to be common sense, then are your judgments really “common sense”?


3. If, however, you say that your common sense morals should be followed by others because they are right, then how is that not being arrogant since you are elevating your personal, subjective, moral opinions above those of others and saying they should follow what you believe?

https://carm.org/questions-on-standard-of-morality

Originally posted by dj2becker
1.If you say your moral standard is based on common sense, then what do you do when what is “common sense” for you contradicts with what is “common sense” for someone else?

2. If what you believe is common sense contradicts what someone else considers to be common sense, then are your judgments really “common sense”?


3. If, however, you say that your ...[text shortened]... nd saying they should follow what you believe?

https://carm.org/questions-on-standard-of-morality

There are some deal-breakers, but otherwise variety is a good thing. I know you're having a hard time with this, I'll try to boil it down. I will protect my family, and the circle expands.

The muslims are told, and there are no dissenters.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You have no idea what 'ancient men knew', and if scripture is true, they knew a lot more
about God, and gods than you.

You mean like for instance, where in the past, eating pigs could make you sick, so your blessed all knowing god, instead of saying, hey, eat pigs but remember there is this tiny animal inside some of it that can make you sick so if you insist on eating pigs, just cook the hell out of it.

Was there anything like that? No. Instead what we get in the bible is exactly the way humans would respond to pigs making you sick: DON'T EAT PIG.

EXACTLY what a human would write but now it is carved in stone as coming from a god.

So what exactly did the ancients know? It sure as hell wasn't pigs.

Originally posted by sonhouse
We are making a total mess of this jewel of a planet, destroying the oceans, going acidic, killing off coral reefs, in the middle of a mass extinction event, the climate maybe already at a tipping point.

If some god actually created the place, it would be PISSED royal at the way we are absolutely mucking up the whole planet.

It would come down with a ...[text shortened]... e do you think it would tolerate from such a brass, narcissistic power driven species as humans?

Er......um.......ever read Revelation?

Originally posted by sonhouse
You mean like for instance, where in the past, eating pigs could make you sick, so your blessed all knowing god, instead of saying, hey, eat pigs but remember there is this tiny animal inside some of it that can make you sick so if you insist on eating pigs, just cook the hell out of it.

Was there anything like that? No. Instead what we get in the bible ...[text shortened]... one as coming from a god.

So what exactly did the ancients know? It sure as hell wasn't pigs.

They knew enough to avoid things that if done wrong would harm them .

Originally posted by KellyJay
They knew enough to avoid things that if done wrong would harm them .

Mankind figuring stuff out.

Originally posted by apathist
Mankind figuring stuff out.

With somethings you could say that, but have you looked into the OT? There were things
in it that were not seen around them in other countries, nor were the standards that were
given around them either. The eye for an eye that people bad mouth, if it were not for that
then any slight could be justification for any type of attack of any kind, there would be
no limit for the one to not do to another.

Originally posted by KellyJay
With somethings you could say that, but have you looked into the OT? ...

Kelly, i like you, but the ot god was evil. That's why jesus did some pr stuff.

Originally posted by apathist
Kelly, i like you, but the ot god was evil. That's why jesus did some pr stuff.

I disagree, God there is only One, setup the universe for us, sent Jesus to us who is the
exact representation of God in human form. It is us if you look at the OT that has managed
to screw up everything in front of us, by abusing one another and rejecting authority.

Every time we were given the proper way to live, we would instead abuse our place, we
murdered each other, rob, took advantage in any way we could. God reacts to our sin
and I'm surprised we even made it this far without killing each other off.

We don't grasp grace, we don't grasp caring for one another, we don't show love, when
people here were asked for forgiveness did you see the responses? Most were used just
to get in some more jabs about how bad those asking for forgiveness were. While God
when He forgives He doesn't hold our sins over our heads, instead He throws them as
far as the east is from the west. In the OT and in the NT Jesus shed His blood so we
could be clean and forgiven without us being able to get good enough to be saved. It is
not God who is evil.


Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Originally posted by apathist
Kelly, i like you, but the ot god was evil. That's why jesus did some pr stuff.

Thank you too for saying that about me, as much as your aggravate me I cannot help but
like you too. 🙂

Originally posted by sonhouse
You mean like for instance, where in the past, eating pigs could make you sick, so your blessed all knowing god, instead of saying, hey, eat pigs but remember there is this tiny animal inside some of it that can make you sick so if you insist on eating pigs, just cook the hell out of it.

Was there anything like that? No. Instead what we get in the bible ...[text shortened]... one as coming from a god.

So what exactly did the ancients know? It sure as hell wasn't pigs.

Get serious. A "tiny animal" inside every pig? What man of 3500 years ago would buy that? He'd assume you were freaking nuts and run you out of town, and here, take your idiotic holy book with you.

I've brought this up with you before.

Originally posted by KellyJay...
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Human sacrifice. I guess it was normal for the times.

Originally posted by apathist
Common sense was around long before the bible.

and was contained in many other texts such as the Vedas
(I only repeat this for the 2 thumbdowners )

Originally posted by dj2becker
1.If you say your moral standard is based on common sense, then what do you do when what is “common sense” for you contradicts with what is “common sense” for someone else?

2. If what you believe is common sense contradicts what someone else considers to be common sense, then are your judgments really “common sense”?


3. If, however, you say that y ...[text shortened]... aying they should follow what you believe?

https://carm.org/questions-on-standard-of-morality

1. That's why it's called "common" .So all can understand straight away.

2. If you cease judgment then there is no problem here.

3.Once again the answer is simple. Life is precious. Everyone should have a right to the essentials of life. All life, especially that of your neighbours and family, because intuitively you understand it is important to your own well-being. Etc.