Originally posted by kevcvs57
These scare stories, real or imagined, have been generated in most historical settings since written cultural and social accounts were kept, usually for political reasons.

I can only go by my own experience and I do not believe that young people are any worse in terms of their moral standards or propensity for violence than they were in my youth, arguably less so.

Do you remember the Glasgow's razor gangs Robbie?

Thankfully, I do not remember them. For those not familiar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_razor_gangs

And the Scuttlers of Manchester?

http://www.subcultz.com/blog/2012/05/scuttlers-hooligans-street-gangs-are-nothing-new/

And yet my wife's aunt regularly cites 'the rise in gang culture' to demonstrate her view that society is getting worse, as if these things are somehow new.

Originally posted by Rank outsider
Thankfully, I do not remember them. For those not familiar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_razor_gangs

And the Scuttlers of Manchester?

http://www.subcultz.com/blog/2012/05/scuttlers-hooligans-street-gangs-are-nothing-new/

And yet my wife's aunt regularly cites 'the rise in gang culture' to demonstrate her view that society is getting worse, as if these things are somehow new.

@ RO and Kev

dear friends have you ever heard of the term, 'a square go?', even the kids in Glasgow
use it to this day, which meant just that, a fair fight! Even in those days one could have
recourse to some morality amidst the violence and squalor, what ethics exist in gangs
today?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
@ RO and Kev

dear friends have you ever heard of the term, 'a square go?', even the kids in Glasgow
use it to this day, which meant just that, a fair fight! Even in those days one could have
recourse to some morality amidst the violence and squalor, what ethics exist in gangs
today?

Getting chibbed with a cut throat razor, that's a Square go? admit it Robbie Mr Harvey's video was nothing more than an anti secular rant, and in the UK at least young people are no worse and arguably better adjusted than their over disciplined and dogma burdened forbears.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
actually the prevalence of prostitution among the Victorians was horrendous, poor
women had basically to prostitute themselves for nothing more than the price of a glass
of Gin in order to procure money for their lodgings. Sometimes reality is more horrific
than fiction. So we can conclude that because of technology pornography is more
preva ...[text shortened]... lly benefited women, yet I failed to see why and her arguments seemed to
me to be rather weak.

Notice i said pornography and not prostitution was a Victorian invention, the earliest mention of brothels can be dated back to the Sumerians at around 4000BC.

I'll have a think about your questions and write a considered response a little later.

Originally posted by kevcvs57
Getting chibbed with a cut throat razor, that's a Square go? admit it Robbie Mr Harvey's video was nothing more than an anti secular rant, and in the UK at least young people are no worse and arguably better adjusted than their over disciplined and dogma burdened forbears.

a square go is just that, two members of a gang who will engage in a fair fight without
the intervention of other gang members, produce evidence of ethical behaviour by
present day gang members or admit that morality has vanished! and Harvey's social
commentary is accurate.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
@ RO and Kev

dear friends have you ever heard of the term, 'a square go?', even the kids in Glasgow
use it to this day, which meant just that, a fair fight! Even in those days one could have
recourse to some morality amidst the violence and squalor, what ethics exist in gangs
today?

Don't choke on that tongue of yours.

😉

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Notice i said pornography and not prostitution was a Victorian invention, the earliest mention of brothels can be dated back to the Sumerians at around 4000BC.

I'll have a think about your questions and write a considered response a little later.

sure thing, temple prostitutes abounded in ancient times.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
produce evidence of ethical behaviour by
present day gang members or admit that morality has vanished!

You may need a doctor to remove that tongue of yours.

🙂

Originally posted by Rank outsider
Don't choke on that tongue of yours.

😉

LOL, I can find morality and a code of ethics among the Highlanders who were
considered, 'cut throats', in fact after reading a history of Rob Roy McGregor is was
stated that in the case of a dispute a duel with swords would ensue and the intent was
not to kill ones adversary but it was him who drew first blood that was considered the
victor and the rule of the sword was upheld. I mention this because in many instances
i dare say that attack with razor was not intended to kill ones adversaries but to leave
him with the stigma of a facial scar. Clearly even in the instance of duelling a
diminishing of morality has resulted, for instance evidence has been found in recent times
where gangs will fabricate two Stanley blades together with a small gap between the
two so that the ensuing scar will prove to be almost impossible to sew or will leave a
much more prominent scar than a razor! That is simply unethical and thoroughly
wicked!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
LOL, I can find morality and a code of ethics among the Highlanders who were
considered, 'cut throats', in fact after reading a history of Rob Roy McGregor is was
stated that in the case of a dispute a duel with swords would ensue and the intent was
not to kill ones adversary but it was him who drew first blood that was considered the
victor ...[text shortened]... a
much more prominent scar than a razor! That is simply unethical and thoroughly
wicked!

Sorry, but trying to convince me that there has been, overall, a relative decline in morality based on how people at different times have tried to slice pieces off one another by reference to which gang they belong ain't gonna work.

Next you'll be trying to convince me that Scotland will one day beat Australia at rugby.

🙂

Originally posted by Rank outsider
Sorry, but trying to convince me that there has been, overall, a relative decline in morality based on how people at different times have tried to slice pieces off one another by reference to which gang they belong ain't gonna work.

Next you'll be trying to convince me that Scotland will one day beat Australia at rugby.

🙂

the evidence is there my friend, a downwardly spiralling lack of ethics in the theatre of
duelling, a present day a-moral attitude towards gang warfare, (i read the link of the
Manchester scuttlers, thanks for that, is very interesting), even they had some form of
ethics which are glaringly absent in present day gangs, flip sake, even the Sicilian Mafia
has a code of ethics unlike present day Mafia. Australia 6 - Scotland 9, even i found
that hard to swallow! 🙂

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
a square go is just that, two members of a gang who will engage in a fair fight without
the intervention of other gang members, produce evidence of ethical behaviour by
present day gang members or admit that morality has vanished! and Harvey's social
commentary is accurate.

Aye right, the man's a propagandist of the lowest order, presenting his fundy credentials instead of evidence, clearly society is better off the less god gets involved.

Full steam ahead for project secularisation.

Originally posted by kevcvs57
Aye right, the man's a propagandist of the lowest order, presenting his fundy credentials instead of evidence, clearly society is better off the less god gets involved.

Full steam ahead for project secularisation.

kev you can call it what you like, empirically, its true!