21 Jun 06
Originally posted by Halitosehmm . . .tricky. I dont want to lose the point to semantics, but i'll try.
Define "good".
This is not really a "quick one".
Someone who leads a good life.
Suppose someone who has sinned in the past (minor sins added in to prevent me creating a unbiblical saint), but for the most has done nohing to hurt anyone.
Good - Worthy of respect; honorable
21 Jun 06
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundDefine "minor sins".
hmm . . .tricky. I dont want to lose the point to semantics, but i'll try.
Someone who leads a good life.
Suppose someone who has sinned in the past (minor sins added in to prevent me creating a unbiblical saint), but for the most has done nohing to hurt anyone.
Good - Worthy of respect; honorable
21 Jun 06
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundNot to split too many hairs on this one, but your definitions seem a little self-contained:
hmm . . .tricky. I dont want to lose the point to semantics, but i'll try.
Someone who leads a good life.
Suppose someone who has sinned in the past (minor sins added in to prevent me creating a unbiblical saint), but for the most has done nohing to hurt anyone.
Good - Worthy of respect; honorable
Good: lead a good life; not hurt anyone.
Worthy of respect -- by whom; honorable -- to whom. To God?
If you mean "good" in the Christian sense of "virtuous", I'd be inclined to answer in the affirmative.
21 Jun 06
Originally posted by Halitosethat was kinda like the ol blood and stone thing.
Not to split too many hairs on this one, but your definitions seem a little self-contained:
Good: lead a good life; not hurt anyone.
Worthy of respect -- by whom; honorable -- to whom. To God?
If you mean "good" in the Christian sense of "virtuous", I'd be inclined to answer in the affirmative.
Why did you think i was trying to trip you up?
I'll leave the heavy debating to them that enjoy the arguments.
21 Jun 06
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Originally posted by huckleberryhoundThe question is important. Wilfully and knowingly rejecting God is a major sin ('mortal sin'😉 in itself.
No. Lets play the ball a bit, you'll be askin me to define "man" next.
Its a theoretical question meant to provoke debate, not a lets ask Huck 20 questions thing.
That said, it all depends on what state he dies in. If he's committed a mortal sin in rejecting God, and dies unrepentant of that - then he does not go to heaven. If he repents and makes a perfect act of contrition - then he does.
It all depends.
EDIT: If he didn't commit a mortal sin in rejecting God (e.g. he was raised atheist and with strong prejudices against religion) and has not committed any other mortal sin - then it still depends. Was he baptised?
21 Jun 06
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Originally posted by huckleberryhoundMy apologies. It just wasn't really a yes/no question in my opinion. It depends... I prefer to leave the final answer to God -- there is the sure way, then there is the other way. 🙂
that was kinda like the ol blood and stone thing.
Why did you think i was trying to trip you up?
I'll leave the heavy debating to them that enjoy the arguments.
21 Jun 06
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Originally posted by lucifershammerYou see, now you've got me going back to my keyboard.
The question is important. Wilfully and knowingly rejecting God is a major sin ('mortal sin'😉 in itself.
That said, it all depends on what state he dies in. If he's committed a mortal sin in rejecting God, and dies unrepentant of that - then he does not go to heaven. If he repents and makes a perfect act of contrition - then he does.
It all depends.
So, if a mans only sin is not to believe in god, your God would have him in Eternal Damnation?
But if Ian Huntley truely repented, he would go to heaven. . . I think i prefer Halitose's God to yours, yours kinda sucks (please dont ask me to define sucks).
🙂