24 Dec 18
@philokalia saidAs I said, you do not have to discuss it ~ with me or anybody else ~ if you don't want to. This a debate and discussion forum. There are lots of other threads.
If you do not accept the Gospels as accurate, is there any other source of information by which there would be an accurate or alternative account of Christ?
No.
So why question this individual point?
As Kelly noted.
It doesn't make sense to reject an account and then to dwell on further rejecting aspects within the account when these are literally only relev ...[text shortened]... pted.
It's just beating a dead horse now, isn't it?
Is that how you like to spend your time?
24 Dec 18
@philokalia saidTake a look at Micah 5:2 and Luke 2:11.
Jerusalem is ubiquitously known as the city of David.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_David
24 Dec 18
@philokalia saidIf the Gospels are not accurate then that is significant. Your 'I believe it because I believe it' thing is not an 'argument' that carries much weight.
If you do not accept the Gospels as accurate, is there any other source of information by which there would be an accurate or alternative account of Christ?
24 Dec 18
@philokalia saidYou should post as you see fit and in whatever threads you want.
Why don't you want me in your thread?
24 Dec 18
@fmf said"Good faith posters shall always triumph against high volume bad faith posters because they are of the djinn." Quran Surah 3:112.
As I said, you do not have to discuss it ~ with me or anybody else ~ if you don't want to. This a debate and discussion forum. There are lots of other threads.
"Crush the bad faith poster like a serpent. The trees themselves cry out, and the dogs point the way like it were a duck hunt. Selah, thou shalt smote the bad faith poster and drive him from Medina and Mecca." Quran, Hadith number 13, passed on from Suharto al-Khoranni from IBM Bashir and IBM Asura.
24 Dec 18
@fmf saidThen it's settled.
You should post as you see fit and in whatever threads you want.
Just let me know when you want to wind this down.
24 Dec 18
@philokalia saidNoted. Take a look at Luke 2:11.
Micah could've been fulfilled if merely Mary or Joseph was from Bethlehem, IMO.
@fmf saidWhat was it about the Bible you found to be not credible? Some point, some verse,
My loss of faith in the credibility of the Bible was not a matter of "little things". It was a big thing. You see, if the Bible is not credible - if it is concocted and contrived - then it does not inform us about "the great truths about God". If it is a not-credible revelation, then the "the main articles of faith" that it contains are neither her nor there.
some book? Since the Bible resembles a library more than a single book, what was
the specific thing you found to be not-credible?
24 Dec 18
@philokalia saidI don't know what you're on about.
Just let me know when you want to wind this down.
@kellyjay saidWell, we have discussed this before, KellyJay. Don't pull a Fetchmyjunk/dj2becker on me, now! The Book of Revelation was where the doubts first crept in ~ 20 or so years ago. I now see it as a hoax/delusion no different from the Muhammed and Gabriel hoax/delusion.
What was it about the Bible you found to be not credible? Some point, some verse,
some book? Since the Bible resembles a library more than a single book, what was
the specific thing you found to be not-credible?
@fmf saidWe have discussed a lot of things in the past, I don't doubt Revelation was a topic,
Well, we have discussed this before, KellyJay. Don't pull a dj2becker on me, now. The Book of Revelation was where the doubts crept in. I now see it as a hoax/delusion no different from the Muhammed and Gabriel hoax/delusion.
but I don't actually recall the finer points of it. You do not believe God is going to
wrap up His creation here, and start a new without evil in it? What do you find is
not a viable text or doctrine?
We don't have to go over this again either if you don't want too, up to you!