26 Apr 15
Originally posted by sonship
I may not know ALL the way in which one's name may appear to be written in [b]"the book of life" . What I do know is this -
" That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." (Rom. 10:9)
So I know for certain that confessing Jesus as Lord and believing ...[text shortened]... ch He commands, believing in the Son of God, receiving Him as the Lord, is what we should obey. [/b]
Is confessing and repentance of one's sin necessary? How about being baptized?
Originally posted by DasaWhat most people don't know and people like Hinds will never admit, the book of revelations was not meant as a religious text. It was mainly a tract against the Romans, the writer, John of Patmos, hated Romans. It was forced to be included as a book by a crazed christian cleric centuries later, Bishop Athanasius. He thought it would scare people into believing his twisted theology.
The verse below is absolute nonsense.
"If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:15
Now my question is..................how can people accept this and defend it and believe it.
Have they lost their minds.
This is only what false religion would come up with, to put fear into the hearts of the people so as to control their lives and their finances.
27 Apr 15
Originally posted by sonhouseIt doesn't matter. It is in the Holy Bible now by the will of God. 😏
What most people don't know and people like Hinds will never admit, the book of revelations was not meant as a religious text. It was mainly a tract against the Romans, the writer, John of Patmos, hated Romans. It was forced to be included as a book by a crazed christian cleric centuries later, Bishop Athanasius. He thought it would scare people into believing his twisted theology.
27 Apr 15
Originally posted by sonhouseThis is ridiculous.
What most people don't know and people like Hinds will never admit, the book of revelations was not meant as a religious text. It was mainly a tract against the Romans, the writer, John of Patmos, hated Romans. It was forced to be included as a book by a crazed christian cleric centuries later, Bishop Athanasius. He thought it would scare people into believing his twisted theology.
The Book of Revelation completes the circle. It brings prophecy together and gives us a view of the reason for all that has come before. Without the Book of Revelation, the Bible would be woefully incomplete, without an ending, and leaving mankind bereft of hope. It could not be left out as Genesis could not be left out. You can't have a beginning without an end. You give this one bishop far too much credit.
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27 Apr 15
Originally posted by SuzianneAmen to that indeed!
This is ridiculous.
The Book of Revelation completes the circle. It brings prophecy together and gives us a view of the reason for all that has come before. Without the Book of Revelation, the Bible would be woefully incomplete, without an ending, and leaving mankind bereft of hope. It could not be left out as Genesis could not be left out. You can't have a beginning without an end. You give this one bishop far too much credit.
27 Apr 15
Originally posted by SuzianneBereft of hope?
This is ridiculous.
The Book of Revelation completes the circle. It brings prophecy together and gives us a view of the reason for all that has come before. Without the Book of Revelation, the Bible would be woefully incomplete, without an ending, and leaving mankind bereft of hope. It could not be left out as Genesis could not be left out. You can't have a beginning without an end. You give this one bishop far too much credit.
HOPE. Pandora brought the box of ills and opened it. It was the gift of the gods to men, outwardly a beautiful and seductive gift, and called the Casket of Happiness. Out of it flew all the evils, living winged creatures, thence they now circulate and do men injury day and night. One single evil had not yet escaped from the box, and by the will of Zeus Pandora closed the lid and it remained within. Now for ever man has the casket of happiness in his house and thinks he holds a great treasure; it is at his disposal, he stretches out his hand for it whenever he desires; for he does not know the box which Pandora brought was the casket of evil, and he believes the ill which remains within to be the greatest blessing, it is hope. Zeus did not wish man, however much he might be tormented by the other evils, to fling away his life, but to go on letting himself be tormented again and again. Therefore he gives Man hope,- in reality it is the worst of all evils, because it prolongs the torments of Man.Nietzsche in Human All Too Human
Christianity has a hunter’s instinct for finding out all those who by one means or another may be driven to despair –although only a part of mankind is capable of such despair. Christianity lies in wait for such as those and pursues them
Daybreak, The Broken-Hearted Ones, Friedrich Nietzsche
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27 Apr 15
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Originally posted by sonhouseIf the book of Revelation is a tract against Romans, could you please tell us why its salvation is depicted as universal ?
... the book of revelations was not meant as a religious text. It was mainly a tract against the Romans, the writer, John of Patmos, hated Romans. It was forced to be included as a book by a crazed christian cleric centuries later, Bishop Athanasius. He thought it would scare people into believing his twisted theology.
" After these things I saw, and behold, there was a great multitude which no one could number, OUT OF EVERY NATION AND ALL TRIBES AND PEOPLES AND TONGUES, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, ... And they cry with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb." (See Rev. 7:9a,10)
If the book is "a tract against the Romans" how come the Romans are not excluded from this magnificent scene of salvation ?
" ... for You were slain and have purchased for God by your blood men out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, And have made them a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign on the earth." (Rev. 5:9b,10)
Originally posted by finneganIf this is how you truly feel (who knows these days on an internet forum, trolls are rampant), then I feel sorry for you. I will pray for you to come out of the darkness and at least catch a glimpse of the light so that it might ignite in you a craving for the Lord.
Bereft of hope?HOPE. Pandora brought the box of ills and opened it. It was the gift of the gods to men, outwardly a beautiful and seductive gift, and called the Casket of Happiness. Out of it flew all the evils, living winged creatures, thence they now circulate and do men injury day and night. One single evil had not yet escaped from the box, ...[text shortened]... r such as those and pursues them
Daybreak, The Broken-Hearted Ones, Friedrich Nietzsche
Nietzsche was a nihilist. There is far too much depth and richness to life to be focused on nothing. Don't imagine that his despair was or is universal.
Originally posted by SuzianneYours is one of many misrepresentations of Nietzsche's thought, which was distorted from the outset when his fascist sister seized control of all his papers and controlled their selective editing and publication for decades. It suits modern Christians to sustain that misrepresentation in order to evade his searching critique of their system. If you take your education from YouTube, you will find it well stocked with Christian fundamentalist distortion and indeed straight lies about Nietzsche, which can be disproved by reading what he actually did write, and not just carefully selected aphorisms and phrases.
If this is how you truly feel (who knows these days on an internet forum, trolls are rampant), then I feel sorry for you. I will pray for you to come out of the darkness and at least catch a glimpse of the light so that it might ignite in you a craving for the Lord.
Nietzsche was a nihilist. There is far too much depth and richness to life to be focused on nothing. Don't imagine that his despair was or is universal.
Far from being a nihilist, Nietzsche wished to fight against nihilism. In order to do that the first step, the essential step, is to identify where and what nihilism is. He found the deep roots of nihilism in Christianity, which negates life, makes this life evil, in exchange for the hope of what? Nothing. A delusion.
Some of his appraisals were very dark. He despised and feared German militarism and nationalism, describing himself as a good European, and his foreboding about the future for Germany (he was writing in the late Nineteenth Century, during and after unification and the Franco Prussian War) has turned out to be prescient. He also hated racism and was furious about his sister's marriage to an Anti-Semitic fascist.
Far from despairing he was deeply positive. He recognized that suffering is the dominating feature of life but found that could be overcome. He argued that health is not freedom from pain but the strength to overcome it.
What drove him was the possibility of transcendence. That we have the capacity to overcome and to master our weaknesses. Precisely that inner strength which Christianity denies.
27 Apr 15
.You have said............
" That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." (Rom. 10:9)
Now you fail to realize that every single being is raised from the dead after death...................because that is what the soul does.
The soul is released from the dead body after death, whether it be a cow or a butterfly or a human.....(this is how life works)
Then the soul goes to its nexts birth/material body in this world or another world according to its karma.
Every soul is eternal..............(thats what the soul is, a little piece of God) and it cannot be destroyed ever.
You have used the verse above to tell us all .........that we are not eternal unless we confess belief in Jesus.
THIS IS UTTERLY and ABSOLUTELY WRONG.
And this wrongness is all the way through the Bible.
So all the verse praising is of no use if it is ALL WRONG.
And I have already told you that the Bible was written by unqualified fools and rascals who were drunkards and pedophiles and womanizers, and who speculated and imagined and fabricated .most of it.
This is why the Bible is 15% right and 85% wrong.
28 Apr 15
Originally posted by SuzianneThen why was it not scripture for hundreds of years?
This is ridiculous.
The Book of Revelation completes the circle. It brings prophecy together and gives us a view of the reason for all that has come before. Without the Book of Revelation, the Bible would be woefully incomplete, without an ending, and leaving mankind bereft of hope. It could not be left out as Genesis could not be left out. You can't have a beginning without an end. You give this one bishop far too much credit.
28 Apr 15
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Originally posted by dominuslatrunculorumWell, there was this dude named Jesus.....
How does it even make sense to talk about 'scripture' before Athanasius?
Don't get me wrong, I am not a theist, Atheist as far as the bible is concerned, perhaps an ANTItheist in that regard and for most of the rest of the organized religions rampant on Earth.
28 Apr 15
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Originally posted by dominuslatrunculorumHow does it make sense for atheists to talk about scripture at all?
How does it even make sense to talk about 'scripture' before Athanasius?
Athanasius was born in AD 298. Jesus spoke of scripture and the importance of it. No doubt this was most of what is considered now the Old Testament along with other books extant at that time. Certainly at least the Torah and the Talmud were included. These were the scriptures of Jesus' time and they were written perhaps 1200-1500 years previously (the oldest parts). Clearly scripture was known to the Hebrews of Jesus' time.
Stop trying to redefine theology.