"In his book 'On the Jews and their Lies', Martin Luther excoriates [the Jews] as 'venomous beasts, vipers, disgusting scum, canders, devils incarnate.' He provided detailed recommendations for a pogrom against them, calling for their permanent oppression and expulsion, writing 'Their private houses must be destroyed and devastated, they could be lodged in stables. Let the magistrates burn their synagogues and let whatever escapes be covered with sand and mud. Let them be forced to work, and if this avails nothing, we will be compelled to expel them like dogs in order not to expose ourselves to incurring divine wrath and eternal damnation from the Jews and their lies.' At one point he wrote: "...we are at fault in not slaying them..." [wiki]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_antisemitism
Christian anti-semitism goes right back to the "Church Fathers" and Christian writing and theology is infused with anti-semitism stretching all the way back to Christianity's inception.
Was Martin Luther a Christian?
Originally posted by @fmfAlso from the same page:
"In his book 'On the Jews and their Lies', Martin Luther excoriates [the Jews] as [b]'venomous beasts, vipers, disgusting scum, canders, devils incarnate.' He provided detailed recommendations for a pogrom against them, calling for their permanent oppression and expulsion, writing 'Their private houses must be destroyed and devastated, they could be lodg ...[text shortened]... itism stretching all the way back to Christianity's inception.
Was Martin Luther a Christian?
“In his final sermon shortly before his death, however, Luther preached: "We want to treat them with Christian love and to pray for them, so that they might become converted and would receive the Lord."
Perhaps he repented of his racism.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterI heard somewhere that a Jew can be defined as a person for whom what it means to be a Jew is a lifelong question. I told this to a Jewish couple who are good friends of mine and they heartily agreed.
Also from the same page:
“In his final sermon shortly before his death, however, Luther preached: "We want to treat them with Christian love and to pray for them, so that they might become converted and would receive the Lord."
Perhaps he repented of his racism.
So, what does it mean to be a Christian?
Originally posted by @divegeesterEven a cursory look at the history of Christianity shows that "Christian love" does not preclude racism, homophobia, judging others as unredeemable and pretty much anything else.
Also from the same page:
“In his final sermon shortly before his death, however, Luther preached: "We want to treat them with Christian love and to pray for them, so that they might become converted and would receive the Lord."
Perhaps he repented of his racism.
07 May 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI know you are upset by Christianity.
Even a cursory look at the history of Christianity shows that "Christian love" does not preclude racism, homophobia, judging others as unredeemable and pretty much anything else.
Originally posted by @divegeesterDG's response is yet another example of how many Christians disingenuously try to deny reality.
I know you are upset by Christianity.
The fact remains that the history of Christianity shows that "Christian love" does not preclude racism, homophobia, judging others as unredeemable and pretty much anything else.
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneMaybe if he made a “cogent argument” you’d change your mind?
DG's response is yet another example of how many Christians disingenuously try to deny reality.
The fact remains that the history of Christianity shows that "Christian love" does not preclude racism, homophobia, judging others as unredeemable and pretty much anything else.
Originally posted by @js357I think "Christians" are people who identify themselves as followers of Jesus who believe certain things about themselves [that they are "forgiven", "saved", made "righteous", that they are going to have "everlasting life", as well as what they have to do in order to attain this etc. and they believe certain permutations of such things] in accordance with their own interpretation of the Bible and the things that they believe about who Jesus was, what happened to him, and the significance of his life.
So, what does it mean to be a Christian?
This obviously creates a lot of potential for people to declare themselves to be Christians and to then declare other people to be not Christians and to do so purely over doctrinal details and matters of their personal or groupist interpretation of the Bible.
There are - they say - 40,000+ denominations of Christianity after all ~ so they come in many varieties. Plus you have the very practical fact of the matter [that applies to Muslims and Hindus too, both "good" and "bad"] which is that Christians are - culturally, ideologically - who they are and do what they do, so to speak ~ and you can define them this way too.
All this rather nebulous stuff creates a lot of potential for people to employ the No True Scotsman logical fallacy.
08 May 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneWhy do you keep replying to people using the third person tense?
DG's response is yet another example of how many Christians disingenuously try to deny reality.
The fact remains that the history of Christianity shows that "Christian love" does not preclude racism, homophobia, judging others as unredeemable and pretty much anything else.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterHe picked that up from duchess64 who posted in the SF for the first time just the other day.
Why do you keep replying to people using the third person tense?
Either that or a frequent SF poster forgot to switch accounts after leaving the Debates Forum.
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08 May 18
Originally posted by @romans1009The dutchess didn't happen to respond to a post addressed to FMF did she?
He picked that up from duchess64 who posted in the SF for the first time just the other day.
Either that or a frequent SF poster forgot to switch accounts after leaving the Debates Forum.
Originally posted by @divegeesterSure. Keep trying to deflect from the point of my posts:
Why do you keep replying to people using the third person tense?
Even a cursory look at the history of Christianity shows that "Christian love" does not preclude racism, homophobia, judging others as unredeemable and pretty much anything else.
The fact remains that the history of Christianity shows that "Christian love" does not preclude racism, homophobia, judging others as unredeemable and pretty much anything else.
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08 May 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI bet you wish he’d make a “cogent argument” so you could say, “Then there’s reality.”
Sure. Keep trying to deflect from the point of my posts:Even a cursory look at the history of Christianity shows that "Christian love" does not preclude racism, homophobia, judging others as unredeemable and pretty much anything else.
The fact remains that the history of Christianity shows that "Christian love" does not preclude racism, homophobia, judging others as unredeemable and pretty much anything else.
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08 May 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerCan’t remember. It’s hard to keep up with the hijinks of tiger and Kiddo.
The dutchess didn't happen to respond to a post addressed to FMF did she?