No pre-tribulaion rapture

Originally posted by sonhouse
Which is all 100% bullshyte. 2000 years is long enough to wait for this supposed rapture. It won't happen in 20,000 years much less in a few years.

I believe that I have established that there are early pre-tribulation ripe believers and there are late tribulation ripe believers.

There are the two pre-tribulation groups raptured -

1.) The living Firstfruits of Revelation 14.

2.) The deceased Manchild of Revelation 12.

Some living overcomers and some "sleeping" or deceased overcomers are raptured before the great tribulation.

Please notice now that the Manchild who is to rule the nations with an irod rod, does what Jesus is going to do. So they are co-kings with Jesus.

JESUS REIGNS WITH IRON ROD -

"And out of His mouth proceeds a sharp sword, that with it He might smite the nations; and He will shepherd them with an iron rod ..." (Rev. 19:15a)

"Ask of Me, And I will give the nations as Your inheritance and the limits of the earth as Your possession You will break them with an iron rod; You will shatter them like a potter's vessel." (Psalm 2:8,9)

OVERCOMERS WILL REIGN WITH AN IRON ROD -

"And he who overcomes and he who keeps My works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, and he will shepherd them with an iron rod, as vessels of pottery are broken in pieces, AS I ALSO HAVE RECEIVED FROM MY FATHER." (Rev. 2:26,27)

No wonder, Satan having failed to prevent the Son of God from overcoming, still seeks to prevent some of the SAINTS of Christ from overcoming THROUGH the grace of Christ.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You don't really know. You are just speculating, right?

Originally posted by sonhouse
Half of that is NOT speculation. No tribulation, end days, any of the BS in the LAST 2000 years and there is not indication of anything happening in the NEXT 2000 years. You theists have been predicting end days and all that rot every generation but each NEW generation of theistic idiots say THESE ARE THE END TIMES, REPENT WHILE YOU CAN. Then no end days ha ...[text shortened]... n, another set of asssholes saying the same thing. Don't you think it's time to end the charade?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Maybe half of what I say is not speculating either. There is a lot of speculating about evolution and the age of the earth too, but you believe most, if not all, of it, right?

I believe what the Holy Bible says about Jesus. I also belive that the Shroud of Turin is proof of His resurrection from the dead. That gives me reason to believe he will also ke ...[text shortened]... s said it was not for us to know the day or the hour, but we can speculate about it all we want.

Originally posted by sonhouse
I'm not waiting around. 2000 years is WAY long enough and people should realize that and not obsess over the last days. Any last days thing will be MANKIND offing himself, not some insane jealous god of ancient fiction.

Originally posted by RJHinds
So you believe God was insane to create humans and all the animals?

Originally posted by sonhouse
No, the original humans writing the god story made it a caricature of humans. No god would have human attributes like jealousy. That is preposterous, a god would be JEALOUS of humans, this being who could conjure up entire universes? The amazing part is you can't see that.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It is more amazing that you can not see that God should also have jealousy, when He created humans after His likeness. Humans are jealous of many things.

We know that God created man in His own image. And the reason we know that is because a man,
or a group of men, and maybe a few women, somewhere along the line, decided that it must be so.

Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Originally posted by HandyAndy
We know that God created man in His own image. And the reason we know that is because a man,
or a group of men, and maybe a few women, somewhere along the line, decided that it must be so.

Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

We know that God created man in His own image. And the reason we know that is because a man,
or a group of men, and maybe a few women, somewhere along the line, decided that it must be so.

Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Originally posted by HandyAndy
We know that God created man in His own image. And the reason we know that is because a man,
or a group of men, and maybe a few women, somewhere along the line, decided that it must be so.

Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Originally posted by sonship


I came to the Old Testament through first becomming familiar with Jesus of Nazareth. He won my approval as being a person of integrity as no other history has ever known.

Once I saw that Jesus took the Old Testament seriously, I decided that I should also take it seriously.

The bogus claim that just some arbitrary people duped the world into ...[text shortened]... n Hawking on the major issues of life? You go ahead. I'll run with the words and life of Jesus.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Total BS. Humans hand crafted their idea of a god which included human attributes, not the other way round.

Can you really be that stupid that you think a god who can at the snap of its rhetorical fingers engender an entire universe into existence could ever be jealous of humans? or jealous of who or what humans worship?

That is bizarre for anyone to ...[text shortened]... sy.

Like a human owning an ant colony being jealous of some ants but not others. Just stupid.

Originally posted by HandyAndy
Richard Dawkins? Stephen Hawking? Why are you getting so defensive? The man was Moses,
not some arbitrary charlatan who tried to dupe the world.

Do you deny that Moses and his learned team of advisers wrote the Book of Genesis?