Spirituality
18 Jun 06
11 Jul 06
Originally posted by dottewell(Incidentally, Lewis is not taken particularly seriously as a philosopher.)
If anything, it's an argument against absurdly reductive physicalism.
(Incidentally, Lewis is not taken particularly seriously as a philosopher.)
Given his position on the supernatural and rejection of a purely materialist reality, I'm not surprised.
11 Jul 06
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Originally posted by HalitoseI don't think that's the problem.
Given his position on the supernatural and rejection of a purely materialist reality, I'm not surprised.
Really, if you are going to take an interest in a subject you should read more widely. Give the other side a run for its money, as it were.
(That's not an "ad hominem" either, just a piece of advice.)
11 Jul 06
Originally posted by dottewellReally, if you are going to take an interest in a subject you should read more widely.
I don't think that's the problem.
Really, if you are going to take an interest in a subject you should read more widely. Give the other side a run for its money, as it were.
(That's not an "ad hominem" either, just a piece of advice.)
Recommended reading?
11 Jul 06
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Originally posted by HalitoseAny primer on the philosophy of mind that gives a good account of different physicalist theories.
[b]Really, if you are going to take an interest in a subject you should read more widely.
Recommended reading?[/b]
Donald Davidson's paper Mental Events, if you want to dip into one interesting theory of the relationship between the physical and the mental.
Specifically on the "argument from reason"? I'm not sure; it's as old as Socrates and held in approximately the same regard. Maybe ask bbarr if there's anything up to date.
Sorry about the ad hominem thing; it's just that it's a phrase that appears here far too often. I studied philosophy for some time, and don't think I ever used it.
11 Jul 06
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Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Really? How so? Matter simply created itself, then? Is not all of creation of supernatural origin?
No, there's no such thing as the supernatural. Unless of course you can prove me wrong...
The soul exists, we simply have not been able to gauge it with scientific tools, save the movements of it.
Not only that, you have been unable to give a single reason why I should believe that it exists at all.
Exactly. Ergo, sciencedunnit.
Now who's misquoting?
With such a logically impossible threshold to cover, it is highly unlikely you will concede any supernatural entity until you are face-to-face with Him.
At last! Something of mine you seem to have understood.
I'm out of this nonsense.
12 Jul 06
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Originally posted by dottewellJust because brains think, it does not follow that nothing exists outside of thought.
Why stop there? Why not just throw in the entire physical world?
It's the thinking part that we're discussing. According to No1, the brain cannot think; it streams along reacting to chemical and electrical impulses, themselves caused by, well, themselves. Independent thought does not exist! Tee-hee, silly, ain't it?
12 Jul 06
Originally posted by StarrmanNo, there's no such thing as the supernatural.
Originally posted by FreakyKBH
[b]Really? How so? Matter simply created itself, then? Is not all of creation of supernatural origin?
No, there's no such thing as the supernatural. Unless of course you can prove me wrong...
The soul exists, we simply have not been able to gauge it with scientific tools, save the movements of it. ...[text shortened]... [/b]
At last! Something of mine you seem to have understood.
I'm out of this nonsense.[/b]
Then, just as with the 'thought thread,' you are left with matter producing itself. That takes a lot more faith than I would be capable of offering.
Not only that, you have been unable to give a single reason why I should believe that it exists at all.
And here we are back at the wind analogy. Funny how you antagonists constantly run in circles, ain't it? Something is producing the effects, something makes a human a human... science just doesn't know what that something is yet, ergo, it does not exist. BRILLIANT!
At last! Something of mine you seem to have understood.
I had you from hello.
12 Jul 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYep, and some magic supernatural force makes an automobile move and its internal combustion engine is a mere conduit for its God given "soul". See how that works?
[b]Just because brains think, it does not follow that nothing exists outside of thought.
It's the thinking part that we're discussing. According to No1, the brain cannot think; it streams along reacting to chemical and electrical impulses, themselves caused by, well, themselves. Independent thought does not exist! Tee-hee, silly, ain't it?[/b]