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@philokalia saidTo my way of thinking, I'd say yes.
Is an atheist prejudiced against all religious traditions because he bluntly states that there is no God?
@philokalia saidTo my way of thinking, I'd say yes.
Is an atheist prejudiced against all religious traditions because he bluntly states that there is no God?
@philokalia said"Sensitive"?
For someone who talks about honestly employing the word cult without pulling any punches, you're awfully sensitive.
@philokalia saidI believe you should feel the need to do it and then do it yourself. But you should post as you see fit.
Why do I need to do all that when you are here to do it for me? 😛
@philokalia saidIf your experience of Buddhism did NOT supposedly provide you with evidence that meditation is a "spiritual dead end" that leads to spiritual delusion", then why did you mention it at all?
I was talking about this
Your dabbling with Buddhism in the past isn't evidence of anything really.
When I said this
Right, I actually did not use it as evidence for anything.
@philokalia saidYou have a preconceived, doctrinal judgment about another religion and you are dismissing stuff as a "delusion" and even as spiritual "illness" based on the fact you tried it and it didn't float your boats ~ and some new theist ideology you are now a subscriber to has given you dogmatic criticisms of other people's spiritual paths.
How am I prejudiced?
@fmf saidI wanted people to know I was familiar with it and open to it, and not someone who is simply dismissing it as a knee-jerk reaction.
If your experience of Buddhism did NOT supposedly provide you with evidence that meditation is a "spiritual dead end" that leads to spiritual delusion", then why did you mention it at all?
@fmf saidOh, OK, I am sorry that you think it is trash talk.
You have a preconceived, doctrinal judgment about another religion and you are dismissing stuff as a "delusion" and even as spiritual "illness" based on the fact you tried it and it didn't float your boats ~ and some new theist ideology you are now a subscriber to has given you dogmatic criticisms of other people's spiritual paths.
Given the nature of this community, it seems ...[text shortened]... nvironment, bandying around the word "delusion" is the language of prejudice, to my way of thinking.
@philokalia saidI am talking about meditation. Religionists trash talking other's spiritual paths and competing religions ~ meditation for example ~ are ten a penny, so it's not really about you personally.
Do you want to talk about meditation, or do you just want to talk about me, personally?
@fmf saidGlad to hear that, at least, I have good company.
I am talking about meditation. Religionists trash talking other's spiritual paths and competing religions ~ meditation for example ~ are ten a penny, so it's not really about you personally.
@philokalia saidI am not claiming that your religion is a "delusion" or a "spiritual dead end" or that your disapproval of meditation is a kind of spiritual "illness".
Glad to hear that, at least, I have good company.
@vivify saidI meditate every day, usually once, and that right before bed. Those who advance sufficiently in most martial arts get introduced to it fairly early in the process. There is very little of the "spiritual" in my meditation as I generally use it to refocus and center the connection between mind and body. In this way, when I am sparring, or exercising within my art, I will also use meditation beforehand to reinforce the mind-body connection. Meditation is not spiritual for me -- if I seek a spiritual connection, I pray, although I've been known to pause meditation for a short prayer. Spirituality, to me, speaks to and through the soul, and so is different than my use for meditation.
Do any of you meditate? If so, how would you describe your experience?
@philokalia saidRight ... that would be leaving out the mandatory masochism associated with this type of Christian theology.
it would be a mistake to ever credit yourself with your own spiritual progress.
@bigdoggproblem saidI think you would be less skeptical of this if you understood to what extent one ought to become selfless and compassionate in the process of Buddhist practice.
Right ... that would be leaving out the mandatory masochism associated with this type of Christian theology.
Wherever I am, whomever I’m with,May I regard myself as lower than all others,
And from the depths of my heart,
May I hold them as supreme and cherish them.
@philokalia saidMy point has nothing to do with humility, or lack thereof. It is more about the simpler truth that no one else can walk your spiritual path for you.
I think you would be less skeptical of this if you understood to what extent one ought to become selfless and compassionate in the process of Buddhist practice.
Wherever I am, whomever I’m with,May I regard myself as lower than all others,
And from the depths of my heart,
May I hold them as supreme and cherish them.
It also reminds me of stories of ...[text shortened]... ty -- for the Buddhist and for the Christian -- to be humble, and to belief oneself not a snowflake?