28 Feb 15
Originally posted by whodeyWhere did Jesus talk about things like Executive Orders and Vetoes and Supreme Court decisions, as opposed to laws passed by a legislature? I don't see that he did. Did any of Jesus' comments pre-echo your personal partisan opposition to the way U.S. politics works? If so, which of Jesus' words do you reckon addressed it?
The scripture says to honor the laws but the leaders don't mind the laws, so where does that leave us? 😕
Originally posted by whodeyExecutive Orders are entirely legal in the U.S. system. Which of Jesus' words do you claim are saying that there is something wrong with Executive Orders? You weren't opposed to any of the Executive Orders of the previous president. Why didn't you cite Jesus regarding what is legal and not legal in the U.S. back then?
Would Jesus say to follow the laws or follow the political leaders in power who defy the laws?
I dunno to be honest. That is a stumper.
28 Feb 15
Originally posted by FMF
Executive Orders are entirely legal in the U.S. system. Which of Jesus' words do you claim are saying that there is something wrong with Executive Orders? You weren't opposed to any of the Executive Orders of the previous president. Why didn't you cite Jesus regarding what is legal and not legal in the U.S. back then?
And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
(Matthew 7:3-5 NKJV)
28 Feb 15
Originally posted by FMFIllegal immigration is illegal.
Executive Orders are entirely legal in the U.S. system. Which of Jesus' words do you claim are saying that there is something wrong with Executive Orders? You weren't opposed to any of the Executive Orders of the previous president. Why didn't you cite Jesus regarding what is legal and not legal in the U.S. back then?
An Executive Order to the contrary without changing the law is breaking the said law.
Originally posted by whodeyExecutive Orders are not illegal in the U.S. Indeed, U.S. law makes provision for them. Where did Jesus say anything that supports your suggestion that Executive Orders are illegal or that supports any of your personal opinions and positions on the nuts and bolts of U.S. retail politics? You have cited a supposedly supernatural divine being to support your partisan politics ~ you need to come up with scripture surely?
Illegal immigration is illegal.
An Executive Order to the contrary without changing the law is breaking the said law.
Originally posted by whodeyAn amnesty forgives or sets aside illegality or punishment. The Obama administration has reduced the number of illegal immigrants crossing into the U.S. The administration has increased the number of illegal immigrants being deported from the U.S. There will be an amnesty for many of those who have lived and worked in the U.S. for many years. They won't be "illegal" any more. That is what an amnesty means. Where in scripture do you believe God or Christ express their opposition to an amnesty?
Illegal immigration is illegal.
Originally posted by whodeySo basically your enemy.
My intentions are to challenge a government that I feel is oppressive in many ways and increasingly becoming worse.
As in Jesus' day, the world leaders are the ones who hold the wealth and the power and oppress the poor.
Not much has changed except perhaps the demagoguery. Jesus was not very kind to them either. He called them out on a daily basis
So Jesus didn't practice what he preached. That doesn't change the fact that you show no love for Obama.
28 Feb 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadWhat do you reckon Jesus resolved by calling the religious leaders of his day hypocrites and asps?
I don't. Loving your enemy doesn't mean letting yourself be taken advantage of. It means actually caring about your enemy, and in many ways can help to resolve the conflict.
The religious leaders of his day feigned support for the poor, while their lives did not reflect this fact. This is just like our political leaders of our day. They whine about the rich and how they need to help the poor more, while the situation just gets worse despite their laws that they pass.
In the end, all that ends up happening is that their power increases while they throw a few crumbs under the table for the dogs to lap up as a reward.
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28 Feb 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadErm, no. That you love someone as a fellow human being doesn't mean that you can't call them out on their faults. Quite the contrary - it would show complete callousness and lack of care not to point out to your friends, or enemies, that they're making mistakes.
Not much has changed except perhaps the demagoguery. Jesus was not very kind to them either. He called them out on a daily basis
So Jesus didn't practice what he preached.