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Originally posted by whodeyHe was a man.
He apparently is immortal even though Islam claims him to be a mere man.🙄
Originally posted by Orange PeelTrue he came as a man but he is did not begin as a man (John 8:58) and did not remain dead as a man because he was ressurrected and ascended to the Father. Therefore, the description of Christ being a mere man is not wrong, rather, it is wanting. There was much more to him than that. He was also a prophet as well just as the Muslims say he was but there was much more to him than that. He was a teacher, he was a healer, he all things to all men. He was God's word made flesh and therefore part of who God is and was. (John 1:14)
He was a man.
Originally posted by whodeyDid I say he is immortal. Every man die and he will die.
He apparently is immortal even though Islam claims him to be a mere man.🙄
Originally posted by jaywillI didn't say he was not there after the cross. All what I said he didn't die on the cross, and he was not on the tomb. And he was alive all the time. So there is no problem for me that even 1000 saw him. The problem is did any one see him inside the tomb. Can you show me that in the Bible. I don't think so. Only one put him in the tomb and no one saw him go out. So you cann't make sure that he was the one on the cross. Specially he didn't admit that he is Jesus during his trial.
The Apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthain church that Christ appeared to 500 disciples at one time after His resurrection. He wrote that most of these were still alive at the time.
Do you have documentation that any one of these 500 some people came forward to testify that Paul was in error? Most of them were alive and could have easily countered Paul's l ...[text shortened]... here's your evidence that witnesses came forward to debunk Paul's supposed resurrection myth?
Originally posted by whodeyWhere is the cross in this verse?
John 20:27 Then said he to Thomas, Reach hither your finger, and behold my hands, and reach hither your hand, and thrust it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my GOD. Jesus said to him, Thomas, because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have beli ...[text shortened]... so ressurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ will all be made alive.
Originally posted by jaywillThis is a truly weird argument. One would think that the lack of any documentation by the so-called witnesses supporting Paul's claim (if he made it; passage please?) would weaken it. Since he didn't name the specific 500, how exactly would they testify that Paul was in error?
The Apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthain church that Christ appeared to 500 disciples at one time after His resurrection. He wrote that most of these were still alive at the time.
Do you have documentation that any one of these 500 some people came forward to testify that Paul was in error? Most of them were alive and could have easily countered Paul's l ...[text shortened]... here's your evidence that witnesses came forward to debunk Paul's supposed resurrection myth?
Originally posted by jaywillDo any of what I said imply any of what you said. All what I said Jesus say that the one who say fool to others will be in Hill fire. Am I Wrong?
Heaven isn't mentioned in those verses. And some believers are [b]"saved yet so as through fire".
When it speaks of Christ judging the works of Christians it says that some will be saved yet so as through fire:
"If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire" (2 Cor. 3:15)
Your ...[text shortened]... being insulting.
So consider, was there something you wrote which was foolish?[/b]
Originally posted by no1marauderNo one in the Bible testify with Paul only Paul testify for himself. Althougth that is not accepted in the Old Testament because there should be at least two witnesses, and that is what Jesus said too, but all Christians accept what Paul said without asking for witnesses.
This is a truly weird argument. One would think that the lack of any documentation by the so-called witnesses supporting Paul's claim (if he made it; passage please?) would weaken it. Since he didn't name the specific 500, how exactly would they testify that Paul was in error?
Originally posted by ahosyneyWhere does it say anywhere in the Bible that Christ was not crucified on the corss? Please show me. I can show you where it says Christ died on the cross, however.
Where is the cross in this verse?
They thought he was did but he is not. Remember his hands was not hurt. there was no sign for crossification. So how can it be a prove that he was crossified.
Originally posted by Orange PeelHow could one man be right and most everyone be wrong?
How could one man be right and most everyone be wrong?
Was it really a just punnishment for Him to get whipped, beaten, humiliated and then hung out on the cross to die? How did it happen?
Originally posted by whodeyI can't argue with you that it is mentioned several times in the Bible that he was crossified. It is mentioned every where in the New Testament.
Where does it say anywhere in the Bible that Christ was not crucified on the corss? Please show me. I can show you where it says Christ died on the cross, however.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished; and he bowed his head and gave up the ghost.....but when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead alread ...[text shortened]... ide, why then did Thomas say, "My Lord and my God", after having assessed his hands and side?
Originally posted by whodeyActs 5:30:
Where does it say anywhere in the Bible that Christ was not crucified on the corss? Please show me. I can show you where it says Christ died on the cross, however.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished; and he bowed his head and gave up the ghost.....but when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead alread ide, why then did Thomas say, "My Lord and my God", after having assessed his hands and side?
Originally posted by jaywillI think your a priest or a preacher because you always answer not asked questions. Or give answers away from the question?
[b]No one of the diciples saw him on the cross. Because they all ran away when jews captured him.
Where do you get this piece of foolishness? Do you have some special pet twisting to ignore John 19:35)?
John wrote that he said blood and water come out of the body of Jesus. He wrote this to counter the gnostics who said that Jesus was too ...[text shortened]... rist"[/b].
So don't just learn what the Bible says. Learn what else the Bible says.[/b]
Originally posted by ahosyneyThe only way you could believe that Jesus did not die on the cross is by flatly rejecting that what the Bible says is true. If you have some other source that you consider the authority on the subject which teaches otherwise, then only could you wrongly regard that source as the accurate account.
I didn't say he was not there after the cross. All what I said he didn't die on the cross, and he was not on the tomb. And he was alive all the time. So there is no problem for me that even 1000 saw him. The problem is did any one see him inside the tomb. Can you show me that in the Bible. I don't think so. Only one put him in the tomb and no one saw him go t he was the one on the cross. Specially he didn't admit that he is Jesus during his trial.