Some people like to boast that they understand the nature of God. If we speak about the three-oneness of God, they think you just MISSED IT.

For two thousand YEARS smart minds have admitted that the nature of God is hard to explain. But certain types like Rajk999 and Divegeester come chiming along -

Ie. "What's all the fuss? Why you just missed it. It is no mystery. It is very simple. You just look at these verses and BINGO ! All these people (not quite as smart as ME) missed it and came up with a funny trinity concept."

I do not mind if someone thinks "Sonship, you call it a mystery or beyond our human comprehension because you are too swift upstairs. But ME ... you see I am so smart that there is not beyond comprehension for ME."

I don't mind if that comment is made. Because I think the Bible itself is on the side of Christ being the mystery of God. The relationship of the Son and the Father and the Spirit is something that has no parallel in the natural universe.

In this thread I will state some mysteries about God's nature. Anyone who wants to BRAG that they get it all, let them brag.

So, to some braggers God is So EASY to understand.

Isaiah 9:6 talks about a human child born. And the name of the human born child will be "Mighty God" .

The Mighty God is Jehovah. And He is also the All Mighty God in spite of what the Jehovahs Witnesses tell you.

Jehovah God - the Mighty God was a little child inside the womb of a pregnant woman. Who held together the universe while the "Mighty God" was tied with an umbilical cord to His mother's body ?

Easy to understand, Right ? NOT.

Then the same prophecy Isaiah 9:6 speaks of a Son given who is the "eternal Father"{/b].

Huh? The Son is the Father? The Father is the Son ?? Easy to understand right ?

Oh, some say "Well ... He is CALLED eternal Father. But He is not REALLY the Father."

Okay, continuing that line of reasoning He is called [b]"Prince of Peace" BUT ... He is not REALLY the Prince of Peace?

NO, He is CALLED "Prince of Peace because that is what He is.
And He is CALLED "eternal Father" because that is WHO He is.

A slam dunk for human logic. Right ?

Wait ! Then you will say to me -

" But the Father did not die on the cross did He ?
The Son died on the cross. "

I answer : "YEs that seems right to me. I cannot see a verse exactly saying that the Father died on the cross at Calvary."

You say "But sonship you said the Son given will be called the eternal Father. So if the Son was crucified the Father died by crucifixion. "

I reply - "The Bible doesn't say that. But it DOES say that the Son will be called the eternal Father."

You may say "Explain that. I don't understand".

Neither do I understand. But I believe what the Bible has told us.
I am willing to bare the weight of not being ABLE to fully explain.

The Son is the Father.
The Son died but not the Father.

Amen.

"Oh how convenient that you say it is beyond our comprehension. Smart guy like me has it ALL FIGURED OUT. "

This is the attitude of some. As if the brothers and sisters over the last 20 centuries had perplexing discussions all for nothing. Had you been there, why you would have just shown them the Shema - The Lord our God is ONE.

Well, the Lord our God is One said "Let Us" . Now it was not dropped into the Hebrew Scripture by a council at Nicea. Moses wrote it under inspiration in Genesis. And the prophet Isaiah wrote of God saying "Who will go for Us."

Christians - FEEL the weight of faith. Feel the ridicule that the world will heap upon us because be BELIEVE such a perplexing matter.

We still can know God, commune with God, fellowship with God, have God come into us.

But He is mysterious - I and We yet ONE God.

"How convenient that you say you cannot explain it. But ME BOY! I can explain it ALL! It has always been SO simple. Move over Christians at the church councils."

Some of us will have to just be willing to appear foolish.
Know that the crucified Jesus for much of the same thing.

"God is Your Father? You are the Son of God?"

Not me, but the Apostle Paul spoke of "Christ, the mystery of God".

Now someone dazzle me with your human reasoning. Explain how the " Word was with God and the Word WAS God. " (John 1:1)

Dazzle us with how smart you are.

" ... the last Adam became a life giving Spirit." (1 Cor. 15:45)

Of course according to sonship many of these truths “transend our ability to figure it out”. Which is convenient.

@divegeester said
Of course according to sonship many of these truths “transend our ability to figure it out”. Which is convenient.

@sonship said

" ... the last Adam became a life giving Spirit." (1 Cor. 15:45)

BUT WAIT A MINUTE !!

The Holy Spirit is eternal right?

Well, the term "Holy Spirit" begins to be used in the New Testament. But SURELY the Spirit of God was brooding over the waters in Genesis chapter one. The Spirit was there and God IS Spirit according to ...[text shortened]... systematize the Bible 100%.

Did the last Adam become a life giving Spirit or not, Christian ?

@secondson said
God is eternal. Can your finite mind "figure it out" with complete understanding?

The human mind and spirit was created to know God. We have a capacity to know God, to understand His nature and character, but, BUT, it is limited to a finite degree. Especially since the fall and subsequent separation from God's Holy presence.

Now we're playing catch-up, and only to the ...[text shortened]... ows me here and there every now and then, but eventually we will all arrive at the same destination.

@divegeester said
I’m aware that you like sonship and you both subscribe to pretty much the same churchy dogmas.

@sonship said
So, to some braggers God is So EASY to understand.

Isaiah 9:6 talks about a human child born. And the name of the human born child will be "Mighty God" .

The Mighty God is Jehovah. And He is also the All Mighty God in spite of what the Jehovahs Witnesses tell you.

Jehovah God - the Mighty God was a little child inside the womb of a pregnant woman. W ...[text shortened]... LLED "eternal Father" because that is WHO He is.

A slam dunk for human logic. Right ?

@secondson said
It's called Bible doctrine divegeester.

You're doing the same thing you do with the bs "torturer god ideology". No one subscribes to it, and no one subscribes to your bs "churchy dogma" rhetoric either.

It's just troll bile. A way to deflect from the topic and avoid rational discussion. Simply because you're full of bitter resentment.

@divegeester said
I’m aware that you and sonship share the same interpretation of various biblical scriptures which support your beliefs.

@secondson said
But are you aware you haven't the aptitude to discuss them?

I mean, at least it doesn't appear so. You haven't yet.

@divegeester said
You’re boring Joseph.

Go play another game of chess against yourself.