To me, Isaiah chapter 53, written about 700 years before Jesus Christ’s ministry on earth, is clearly a Messianic prophecy.

From what I’ve heard, non-Messianic Jews who hear it for the first time think it’s from the New Testament so clearly to them does it refer to Jesus Christ and the core belief of Christianity.

But other non-Messianic Jews think Isaiah 53 refers to the nation of Israel and not a person.

What do you think?

Here it is:

“Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

(Isaiah 53)

Originally posted by @romans1009
To me, Isaiah chapter 53, written about 700 years before Jesus Christ’s ministry on earth, is clearly a Messianic prophecy.

From what I’ve heard, non-Messianic Jews who hear it for the first time think it’s from the New Testament so clearly to them does it refer to Jesus Christ and the core belief of Christianity.

But other non-Messianic Jews think ...[text shortened]... ssors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

(Isaiah 53)

Or are u still thinking in the past?

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Who are the "strong" ? Iyho?

Originally posted by @romans1009
That’s a great question.

Hadn’t really thought of it before.

If I had to guess, I would guess the saints who will one day rule with Him - and no, I don’t think I’ll be one of them.

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Who are the "strong" ? Iyho?

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Who are the "strong" ? Iyho?

"Therefore I will divide to Him a portion with the Great,

And He will divide the spoil with the Strong." (Isaiah 53:12a)

Originally posted by @sonship
The Strong is God Himself.

[b] "Therefore I will divide to Him a portion with the Great,

And He will divide the spoil with the Strong." (Isaiah 53:12a)

The Great and the Strong is God.[/b]

"Therefore I will divide to Him a portion with the Great, And He will divide the spoil with the Strong.

Because He poured out His life unto death
And was numbered with the transgressors,

Yet He alone bore the sin of many and interceded for the transgressors." (Isa. 53:12)

"He will see the fruit of the travail of His soul, And He will be satisfied;.. (11a)

"By the knowledge of Him, the righteous One, My Servant, will make the many righteous." (11b)

"And the seventh angel trumpeted; ... The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever." (See Revelation 11:15)

Originally posted by @sonship

[b] "Therefore I will divide to Him a portion with the Great, And He will divide the spoil with the Strong.

Because He poured out His life unto death
And was numbered with the transgressors,

Yet He alone bore the sin of many and interceded for the transgressors." (Isa. 53:12)

Of course the matter of overcomers and co-kings w ...[text shortened]... contradiction to the truth that Christ will have co-kings to be rewarded to reign with Him then.[/b]

Originally posted by @suzianne
Is that all you got out of this?

"Who are the strong?"

Really?

How about "who is this amazing person this is speaking of?"

Originally posted by @sonship
The Strong is God Himself.

[b] "Therefore I will divide to Him a portion with the Great,

And He will divide the spoil with the Strong." (Isaiah 53:12a)

The Great and the Strong is God.[/b]

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
No I get it all ... and you didn't catch me

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
I am God

Originally posted by @rajk999
She is kinda slow.. you have to be patient with her type.

Your question was a though-provoking one ... thumbs up for that.
Makes these Christians think a bit, something they dont often do.