Originally posted by twhiteheadThe fantastic thing about science is that you are not it's only spokesman.
Not as many as you might think.
They are also not scientists in the relevant fields and never seem to actually publish and scientific findings that support their beliefs.
Note that it is not 'scientists' that demonstrates that the creation account is not factual, it is science. It is not an argumentum ad populum but rather science itself. The fantastic ...[text shortened]... self so must rely on authority. But education is free these days and I urge you to at least try.
18 Jul 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkWell then, listen to what other spokesmen say, like Carl Sagan, Jacob Bronowski, Richard Dawkins, Neil Degrass tyson, Micheo Kaku, Richard Feynman. They might have something real to say.
The fantastic thing about science is that you are not it's only spokesman.
18 Jul 16
Originally posted by sonhouseI dunno, but I once stepped on a roach leaving it for dead. When I came back hours later I observed that I had smashed half of his body into the concrete while the other half was circling the left over pile of goo. The next day I came back and he was still at it, very hard to kill those roaches.
In whose toe? My toe wouldn't hold many insects.
Seriously, if there was 2 miles of water (only 10,000 feet) and rain a half inch a minute for over a month, how do you suppose any insect would survive? They would be continuously beaten down, vegatation patch or not. They have to breath O2 just like we do and if they are continuously bombarded with that much rain there would be no O2 for those life forms. They would have died, 99.99999%
19 Jul 16
Originally posted by sonhouseSo I'm guessing these scientists have nothing real to say?
Well then, listen to what other spokesmen say, like Carl Sagan, Jacob Bronowski, Richard Dawkins, Neil Degrass tyson, Micheo Kaku, Richard Feynman. They might have something real to say.
Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr James Allan, Geneticist
Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
Dr Markus Blietz, Astrophysicist
Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr Robert W. Carter, Zoology (Marine Biology and Genetics)
Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Dr Bob Compton, DVM
Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research
Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
Dr André Eggen, Geneticist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr Tim Gilmour, Electrical Engineer
Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
Dr Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications
Dr Joe Havel, Botanist, Silviculturist, Ecophysiologist
Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr George F. Howe, Botany
Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu, Physician, leading expert on sickle-cell anemia
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Dr John G. Leslie, biochemistry, molecular biology, medicine, biblical archaeology
Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr Alan Love, Chemist
Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Dr John McEwan, Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr David Menton, Anatomist
Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr John Meyer, Physiologist
Dr Albert Mills, Reproductive Physiologist, Embryologist
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
Dr John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr David Pace, Organic Chemistry
Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr Albert E. Pye, invertebrate zoology, biotechnology, biological control (1945–2012)
Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr John Sanford, Geneticist
Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
Dr Ian Scott, Educator
Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
Dr Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist (1923–2012)
Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineer
Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr Henry Zuill, Biology
19 Jul 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkHow many have you got there? There are thought to be 7,000,000 - 8,000,000 professional scientists in the world. How many of the ones on your list have 'gone bush', or got the letters after their names from unaccredited Creationist degree-mills, or are no longer "practising" their science having decided that they prefer ancient Hebrew allegories written by nomadic herdsmen to what they studied and what got their qualifications for?
So I'm guessing these scientists have nothing real to say?
Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr James Allan, Geneticist
Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
Dr John Baumgardner, Electri ...[text shortened]... ck Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr Henry Zuill, Biology
19 Jul 16
Originally posted by FMFYou tell me. Thankfully we know the majority is always right?
How many have you got there? There are thought to be 7,000,000 - 8,000,000 professional scientists in the world. How many of the ones on your list have 'gone bush', or got the letters after their names from unaccredited Creationist degree-mills, or are no longer "practising" their science having decided that they prefer ancient Hebrew allegories written by nomadic herdsmen to what they studied and what got their qualifications for?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkThat is not the point. What does your tiny, tiny, tiny list signify though? You have to make some case. Is this list of people ~ tiny, tiny, tiny as it is ~ somehow a super duper amazing collection of extraordinary individuals who have overturned the accumulation of human knowledge?
You tell me. Thankfully we know the majority is always right?
All you've offered is a painfully short list of people who you claim subscribe to things you just so happen to subscribe to. What further significance do you want to attach to those names and why?
It's your tiny, tiny, tiny list. You must now make some case as to the astonishing things that those particular people - the ones you listed - have added to or revealed about human knowledge.
The husband and wife doctors for example. What is it that they have given mankind, aside from the intellectual fig leaf/message board gimmick they have given you?
19 Jul 16
Originally posted by FMFIt signifies that there are other scientists who don't just go with the flow and don't just think the way they are taught to think. That is a bad thing I imagine?
That is not the point. What does your tiny, tiny, tiny list signify though? You have to make some case. Is this list of people ~ tiny, tiny, tiny as it is ~ somehow a super duper amazing collection of extraordinary individuals who have overturned the accumulation of human knowledge?
All you've offered is a painfully short list of people who you claim subscri ...[text shortened]... e given mankind, aside from the intellectual fig leaf/message board gimmick they have given you?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkBut what is the significance you are seeking to attribute to the fact that you have a tiny, tiny list of people that [you say] have "gone against the flow", aside from the fact that those people on that list, whoever they actually are, and whatever their actual work is [I don't think even you have any idea, it's just something you have copy pasted from a web site supplying confirmation bias] aside from the fact that they have er... "gone against the flow"? Is that it?
It signifies that there are other scientists who don't just go with the flow and don't just think the way they are taught to think. That is a bad thing I imagine?
You must surely have some other greater point to make with those particular names than that? You must surely be citing, congratulating, referencing, acknowledging something they have achieved or proved or added to mankind's knowledge, something, anything more than the mere fact they have "gone against the flow". Surely?
19 Jul 16
Originally posted by FMFTalk about bias. As soon as you see a list of scientists that believe in creation you assume that they got their qualifications from a diploma mill and that they have contributed nothing meaningful in their particular field.
But what is the significance you are seeking to attribute to the fact that you have a tiny, tiny list of people that [you say] have "gone against the flow", aside from the fact that those people on that list, whoever they actually are, and whatever their actual work is [I don't think even you have any idea, it's just something you have copy pasted from a web sit ...[text shortened]... nowledge, something, anything more than the mere fact they have "gone against the flow". Surely?
19 Jul 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI am sure they have a lot to say. Oddly enough, they don't want to say it scientifically. Why is that?
So I'm guessing these scientists have nothing real to say?
Please list the science papers they have published that support either a global flood or young earth creationism.
19 Jul 16
Originally posted by twhiteheadI picked names randomly from the list until I found one that has a Wikipedia page. Thomas G. Barnes did publish work on Geomagnetism based around the notion that Einstein's theory of Relativity is incorrect and that the Earth's magnetic field decays. His doctorate is honorary and from Hardin-Simmons University, a private Baptist University. His methodology is said to be flawed (inadequate analysis of error).
I am sure they have a lot to say. Oddly enough, they don't want to say it scientifically. Why is that?
Please list the science papers they have published that support either a global flood or young earth creationism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_G._Barnes
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkNo I don't. And I didn't say that. You have missed the point. The point is that you have nothing you can tell us that you actually know about them except that they appear on a copy-pastable list that makes the flimsiest of 'debating points' and which doesn't not even remotely substantiate any beliefs you propagate or claims of you make.
Talk about bias. As soon as you see a list of scientists that believe in creation you assume that they got their qualifications from a diploma mill and that they have contributed nothing meaningful in their particular field.