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15 Aug 09
Originally posted by daniel58You have made a hash of your attempted correction there, perhaps because you discovered that no correction was needed and became confused.
Exclude; deny (someone) access to or bar (someone) from a place, group, or privilege : women had been excluded from many scientific societies.
• keep (something) out of a place : apply flux to exclude oxygen.
• (often be excluded) remove from consideration; rule out : computer software is excluded from the mandatory 15-year write-off.
• prevent the occur ...[text shortened]...
• prevent the occurrence of; preclude : clauses seeking to exclude liability for loss or damage
I wonder whether you are the sort of person who has the personal integrity to admit a clear error and apologise?
If you are still in any doubt, here is the original sentence:
"Not that I believe this at all, but if god had made us in its image, why does that immediately preclude us from being animals."
Look up 'preclude' in any good dictionary and you'll see the relevant meaning could be 'make impossible'.
Substitute:
"Not that I believe this at all, but if god had made us in its image, why does that immediately make us being animals impossible?"
You can see the sense is preserved.
15 Aug 09
Originally posted by Lord SharkHe doesn't "make" it impossible every day, He just set a rule that we can't become it, exclude makes more sense.
You have made a hash of your attempted correction there, perhaps because you discovered that no correction was needed and became confused.
I wonder whether you are the sort of person who has the personal integrity to admit a clear error and apologise?
If you are still in any doubt, here is the original sentence:
"Not that I believe this at all, b ...[text shortened]... t immediately make us being animals impossible?"
You can see the sense is preserved.
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15 Aug 09
Originally posted by daniel58I'm sorry but you don't get to decide what somebody else meant according to what you think about what makes sense. The use is clear and intelligible whether you agree or not, this person meant 'preclude'.
He doesn't "make" it impossible every day, He just set a rule that we can't become it, exclude makes more sense.
Further, your case that 'exclude' makes more sense doesn't make sense.
16 Aug 09
Originally posted by KellyJayI'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that humans unlike animals are not controlled by instinct and
I think we do act on our own wills at all time, our issues are that we
are pulled this way and that by our desires/lusts.
Kelly
desires? Whether or not that's true, the fact remains that the definition of an animal is a body
physically separated from its environment, with the ability to move voluntarily. Humans are and
can do that, hence we're animals.
16 Aug 09
May I qutoe an earlier posting of Proper Knob:
Here's a definition of 'animal' from an online biological dictionary.
A living organism belonging to Kingdom Animalia that possess several characteristics that set them apart from other living things, such as:
(1) being eukaryotic (i.e. the cell contains a membrane-bound nucleus) and usually multicellular (unlike bacteria and most protists, an animal is composed of several cells performing specific functions) (
2) being heterotrophic (unlike plants and algae that are autotrophic, an animal depends on another organism for sustenance) and generally digesting food in an internal chamber (such as a digestive tract)
(3) lacking cell wall (unlike plants, algae and some fungi that possess cell walls)
(4) being generally motile, that is being able to move voluntarily
(5) embryos passing through a blastula stage
(6) possessing specialized sensory organs for recognizing and responding to stimuli in the environment
Do we fit this description, yes or no?
By this definition it is very clear that humans are animals.
KellyJay, is this definition good enough, or do you have a better one?
