"How is eternity expressed mathematically?" Thread 158620 (30 Mar '14 23:48)
"Here are the largest numbers I could find as a layman's point of reference:
Googol: A large number. A "1" followed by one hundred zeros.
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Googolplex: The second largest number with a name.
A "1" followed by a googol of zeros.
See www.Googolplex.com
Googolplexian: The worlds largest number with a name.
A "1" followed by a googolplex of zeros.
Googolplexian: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, etc.
http://www.googolplexian.com/
Question: Is anyone able to fathom the infinite quantitative/qualitative aspect of an eternity with or separated from God?"
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyShall I copy/paste all of my responses from 30th March last year?
[b]"How is eternity expressed mathematically?" Thread 158620 (30 Mar '14 23:48)
"Here are the largest numbers I could find as a layman's point of reference:
Googol: A large number. A "1" followed by one hundred zeros.
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,00 ...[text shortened]... uantitative/qualitative aspect of an eternity with or separated from God?"
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Originally posted by Great King RatIndeed.
I'm amused he chose a number at all.
Of course my argument is to turn the whole thing on its head.
Take a ludicrously long period of time... Say 3^^^^3 years [^ standing in for "up-arrow"]
and then try to imagine ANY POSSIBLE activity that anything resembling a human
could do for that long that WOULDN'T drive you insane and end up being torture.
I can see no possible existence that would not be torture if extended to 3^^^^3 years
in duration... And even that ludicrous number is literally infinitesimal compared to
infinity.
In short, the absolute best that can be said about infinite Heaven, is that it would drive you
insane slightly slower than infinite Hell.
And given a choice between 'infinite Heaven' and 'instant death' as Suzianne likes to argue for...
I pick the instant death every time.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIt's interesting to note your behaviour in your interaction with stellspalfie on page 2 and 3 of that March 2014 thread.
"How is eternity expressed mathematically?" Thread 158620 (30 Mar '14 23:48)[/b]
He asked you some very pertinent questions and made some reasonable observations about the truth claims you were making. You seemed kind of caught in the intellectual headlights. You then staggered around waffling. He persisted and pressed you to explain your unravelling argument.
So how did you react? You simply declared his inquiry not "genuine" and flounced off from what had been a perfectly civil conversation in a huff, and instead spammed the thread by re-copying and re-pasting your OP even though it was only page 3.
Do you ever worry that your kind of behaviour/proselytism is, in fact, counter productive and repulsive to non-Christians rather than being likely to bring them to the same beliefs you have? 😉
Originally posted by googlefudgeWell, one might imagine that immortality would come with some psychological adjustments - c.f. the character in The Hitchhiker's Guide who'd made himself immortal due to an accident with a liquid lunch and a particle accelerator and spent the rest of eternity insulting everyone in the universe to cope with his plight.
Indeed.
Of course my argument is to turn the whole thing on its head.
Take a ludicrously long period of time... Say 3^^^^3 years [^ standing in for "up-arrow"]
and then try to imagine ANY POSSIBLE activity that anything resembling a human
could do for that long that WOULDN'T drive you insane and end up being torture.
I can see no possible exi ...[text shortened]... ven' and 'instant death' as Suzianne likes to argue for...
I pick the instant death every time.
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Originally posted by DeepThoughtAny adjustment of a humans personality capable of rendering them able to enjoy
Well, one might imagine that immortality would come with some psychological adjustments - c.f. the character in The Hitchhiker's Guide who'd made himself immortal due to an accident with a liquid lunch and a particle accelerator and spent the rest of eternity insulting everyone in the universe to cope with his plight.
an infinite existence is so huge as to render them a different person and so making
a mockery of the notion that I/We/They/that person can go to heaven.
If you [a person] wants to tell me that I could go to heaven then they must explain how
I could possibly enjoy that experience.
If the response is that I will be so changed that I no longer exist and something else
goes to heaven then you are no longer talking about MY going to heaven at all.
In this supposed process I died and got replaced with something else, against
my will I might add.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyEternity cannot be comprehended, nor can it be explained by a quantity of any number. Eternity isn't a span of time, but a place, a location, where time doesn't exist.
[b]"How is eternity expressed mathematically?" Thread 158620 (30 Mar '14 23:48)
"Here are the largest numbers I could find as a layman's point of reference:
Googol: A large number. A "1" followed by one hundred zeros.
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,00 ...[text shortened]... uantitative/qualitative aspect of an eternity with or separated from God?"
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Forever and ever is an expression used to describe an aspect of eternity, but not its duration. "No beginning and no end" is an incomprehensible concept which no human mind can conceive of.
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Originally posted by josephwIf time does not exist, then nothing can happen [this includes thought and experience]
Eternity cannot be comprehended, nor can it be explained by a quantity of any number. Eternity isn't a span of time, but a place, a location, where time doesn't exist.
Forever and ever is an expression used to describe an aspect of eternity, but not its duration. "No beginning and no end" is an incomprehensible concept which no human mind can conceive of.
and thus 'eternity' by this definition is functionally equivalent with dead or non-existent.
For any sort of being to experience eternity there must be time, infinite or otherwise.
Originally posted by josephwIf we live only for a finite period of time, is it of any consequence ~ in terms of those lives we live ~ if the idea of eternity cannot be comprehended, explained or conceived of by the human mind?
Eternity cannot be comprehended, nor can it be explained by a quantity of any number. [...] Forever and ever is an expression used to describe an aspect of eternity, but not its duration. "No beginning and no end" is an incomprehensible concept which no human mind can conceive of.
Originally posted by googlefudgeI didn't say time doesn't exist. I said eternity cannot be measured in terms of a number that represents time because eternity has no beginning and no end.
If time does not exist, then nothing can happen [this includes thought and experience]
and thus 'eternity' by this definition is functionally equivalent with dead or non-existent.
For any sort of being to experience eternity there must be time, infinite or otherwise.
"No beginning and no end" isn't a measure of time. In fact it's the exact opposite. Eternity isn't about the duration of time, but is instead a place, a location, where time doesn't exist.
I can's say it any simpler than that.